Well, the forum's gotten a bit dramatic, eh?

Sure is, man.

I'm not saying to "fix it". You honestly don't give a **** to what people say if you aren't even going to make the right points. What's already done is done, and I don't wish for anything already in the game to be taken out.

Oh and the "rest of the gaming community on the internet" did? Where are your statistics, because otherwise, you're just making overgeneralizations. I'm not saying that a majority didn't, I'm saying that you have no right to say a majority DID.

And once more, you feed bullshit about how our suggestions are ridculous without actually saying why. I can understand how Ancient Minister and Laughing Dog are, as honestly (and the guys know this) I never really supported those two. And Ratchet is borderline ridiculous, being non-Nintendo (though, if I remember correctly, you guys had KRATOS at some point, not sure if he's in now). But NiGHTS? Agumon? The two are hardly ridcicuous.

For one thing, NiGHTS is a fan favorite of SEGA, which only consists of Sonic characters and Ristar in Crusade. That's a problem. Especially when characters like Billy Hatcher, Akira Yuki, Ryo Hazuki, Aiai, Amigo, Ulala, NiGHTS, and even friggin Segata Sanshiro and Vectorman (who, like Ristar, is another cult classic. Possibly even BIGGER because he actually has a sequel.) are left out. Once AGAIN, I am not saying to remove Ristar, which is what you keep seeming to think I am, but I'm saying that SEGA is unproperly represented, and needs at least ONE more non-Sonic character.
Which also goes by a major problem I have; the lack of a second Metal Gear character. Really? The FIRST 3rd Party to grace the Smash series, and you don't bother to give it even ONE new character? What makes it to where Raiden isn't allowed? And Megaman, who wasn't in Brawl, gets TWO?! Seriously, that's a stupid decision. More than just stupid, it's ASININE.
Now, back to the point I was making earlier. Why in the Hell is Agumon a ridiculous choice? You have never answered that, and I don't think you intend to because that's how you are. If it's such a ridiculous choice, how come both Falcon and Nights love the idea? Are they not "smart" as you define it? Smart being what, thinking exactly the way that YOU think?

Oh, and WITHOUT my help? Who's the one that said to have Angelglory as the announcer? Oh yeah, that's right: ME! Give credit where credit is due, or did you not learn that with Mewtwo?

And you know what, you're a ****. First, you claim that only 11 year olds like Shadow the Hedgehog, which essentially means that you are calling me an 11 year old, now you essentially call me stupid. You wouldn't know smart people if EINSTEIN shook your hand.

Go ahead, punish me if you dare. Just know this: If you strike me down now, you will only make me stronger. That, and whatever molecule of respect you have from anyone here other than yourself and your brother will be gone.

I don't usually get upset that much on forums, but this is really the most offensive post Ive ever seen on this forum, and from a dev no less. It's actually appalling.

You actually have the gall to disregard people that follow this game actively, some who even visit daily, for the "rest of the gaming community" who you're hiding behind because we can't hear their opinions like you so clearly can't hear ours?!

You have the nerve to suggest that we should have somehow been born earlier or played different games? How dare you imply that your childhood memories are somehow greater than, or superior to ours?

And finally, I honestly can't believe that you'd suggest even for and instant that you haven't even used one idea, stage, concept, or error fix from even one person besides you, falcon, and phantom ever. Maybe some ideas are ridiculous, maybe even a majority, but don't propose to use that we haven't been useful as a community. To think that "Without your help, we pieced together a demo that everyone fell in love with" is both moronic and oxymoronic.

You can try and have wave this with a "u mad", but you're wrong. I'm absolutely furious, and I am perfectly justified in feeling that way.

Don't bother, Sliss. He's not going to answer.
Not him NOR Phantom, the coward.

This topic that was to address the dramatic forums has only made them even more dramatic.

OH, THE HUMANITY!

Two things, Dr. Mariox, i do not believe you played those games when you were, like, four.

And, you ticked Ensane off.
This just got serious.

EDIT: Ninja'd by falcon. keep that in mind.

Ok, first:

Why in the world would you log onto Falcon's account in the first place?
This explains why I was so confused reading FALCON post that the Minister and Agumon, two character's you frequently use as "ridiculous and crappy suggestions for characters", were ridiculous and didn't deserve representation. I honestly don't get what's so ridiculous about the Ancient Minister. Maybe if you actually answered people's questions once in a while, we'd be less aggravated at these egregious accusations.


You don't seem to get this point: There are people on the internet who download a game and play it, nothing more and nothing less. Then there are the people who actually contribute to the game, join the community, and help out with things. Many of the people on the internet didn't grow up with these games. Had you grown up with only Legend of Zelda, would you be making a Super Smash Bros: Legend with only LoZ characters?
Technically, DMX, you're still growing up, and I highly doubt you don't play Brawl with some level of frequency.
Phantom said in a PM to me that the reason you guys are making the game was because Brawl had its "hiccups" and you wanted to make a game that could do better. You've already succeeded in this, as far as I'm concerned. However, Sakurai actually listened to his fans in the interval between Melee and Brawl, as opposed to you and Phantom at the moment.


This is a direct insult to anyone that's ever made a suggestion for Crusade. This should be considered flaming.
Falcon obviously isn't included in this "we" you keep referring too, because he actually listens to suggestions, last I checked.


Zoroark. You can't say that I've never made a good suggestion, because I quite obviously have. And you still refuse to explain WHY the Ancient Minister is ridiculous, just that you believe he is a load of crap as a character.


Ha. This is completely false. Maybe without us specifically, but have you read through the first 30-something pages of the Smashboards thread? You know, back when you loved suggestions? Oh wait, you've probably forgotten all about that time.
And also, there were a number of people that actually hated the demo you made.
Sure, the first demo might've been made without our help, but who finds the majority of glitches and reports them to you nowadays? This forum. If you didn't have a forum or a thread people could contribute to, you would end up with a ton of glitches that you wouldn't even know about. (Sorry if it seems I'm bad-mouthing Falcon's coding abilities, it was a side-effect of the post if so).

Doesn't EVERYONE completely disagree?

Having read through the thread quite recently, I remember you still received a lot of crap from people after the first demo and after the remade engine (granted, mostly from SSF2 fanboys, but nonetheless). It looks like it got better after that.