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Post by member 777 on Mar 24, 2011 18:03:12 GMT -5
You can incorporate personality into moves, but idk here. I think Porky or the Masked Man would come before him. im sorry but i disagree with you there ninten deserves to be on the roster more than them
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Post by DGN on Mar 24, 2011 18:06:57 GMT -5
Umm...elaborate, perhaps? Honestly, the chances are of a character being put in are, IMO, Porky Ninten(actually has easily editable, good-looking, fitting sprites) Masked Man
Ninten seems to be the best here, actually. I agree with red. Ninten is 2n'd most and least likely, but easiest to incorporate.
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Post by SmashKing201 on Mar 24, 2011 18:11:02 GMT -5
I think Ninten would have been most deserving if Smash Bros never had a Mother/Earthbound rep to begin with. But since Ness got in before him and gained the majority of his popularity from it, and now with Lucas in Smash Bros, I see no purpose of adding Ninten. The only good reason I can see adding Ninten is because he was the original protagonist of the series. Other than that, he has nothing going for him especially since Ness took his place as (I guess as you want to call it, the face of the Mother/Earthbound series).
The disadvantages for Ninten playable is his similarities to Ness and the fact that Ness is far more popular.
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Post by member 777 on Mar 25, 2011 1:45:30 GMT -5
The disadvantages for Ninten playable is his similarities to Ness the fact that Ness is far more popular.
1. for that reason captain falcon or Gannon need to be taken off the smash seres 2. ninten doesn't use offence moves only defense/healing moves so he bring uniqueness to the table 3. also that lucas statement just cause a seres has two reps dosent mean they dont deserve more reps 4. the popular thing he was on the creater of smash bros poll just cause you never heard of him dosent mean others haven't 5. i heard that louie from pikmen 2 was going to be in crusade so ninten should have a heck of a good chance to be in also
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on Mar 25, 2011 10:01:37 GMT -5
1. Why would BOTH Falcon and Ganon be cut? And considering that Ganon is from a completely different series, Ganon shouldn't have similar moves to Falcon. Which means, Ganon should have his own moveset.
2. If he has no offense moves, why in the Hell should he be in a fighting game? Think about it.
3. I agree. That's why Porky needs to be added.
4. Who the Hell cares if he was on the poll? You know who ELSE was on the poll? Link's Uncle. OMG LINK'S UNCLE FOR CRUSADE! [/sarcasm]
5. It was only an idea. It hasn't been confirmed true. Louie shouldn't be in either.
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Post by DGN on Mar 25, 2011 10:24:31 GMT -5
1. Yea 2. He CAN attack; what he meant is that Ninten has no offensive special moves. 3. Nothing to say 4. That means that Sakurai actually considered the character to be in the game. 5. I hate Louie.
Character grading stufz Representation for Porky: 3.5: He's a main villain, been in 2 of the 3 games. Representation for Masked Man: 2.5: He's only been in 1 game that aleady has a rep, but is also a villain, and is similar to Darth Vader or another Jedi, giving up the need for another 4th party Rep for Ninten: 3: He's from the early beginnings of Earthbound, the one who actually started the series, and hasn't had a rep from his game.
Popularity for Porky: 5: I hear Porky's pretty popular among EarthBound fans, parodying him, making comix strictly for him, etc. He was also a Brawl boss. Popularity for Masked Man: 4: A lot of people like him as well, considering how spaced out he is, mysterious, and with such an unkown backstory. Plus, him as Claus, was an alternate color for Lucas in Brawl. Popularity for Ninten: 4: If you know the Earthbound series, you have to know Ninten, a lot of people speculate he's Ness's father, and other things.
Uniqueness for Porky: 5: He's a fat kid, which Wario brings up, but he uses a bunch of mechs, things like spiders, gas...and pork minions. Uniqueness for Masked Man: 5: Seriously, he's been thought to be under a lot of enigma, but him and Lucas share a great frienship...that if you've played Mother 3, you'll find very touching. Uniqueness for Ninten: 3: He may be very similar to Ness, but he never uses offensive PSI, though the different moves found in Mother 1 from his teammates could be incorporated as well.
Moveset Potential for Porky: 5: Everything was pretty much mentioned above, plus his appearance in Brawl gives him moves. Moveset Potential for Masked Man: 3: He's a swordsman, but how can we make that any special from the previous ones? Moveset Potential for Ninten: 5: We have some good things here, plus the other character's from the game's moves that have not been incorporated yet.
Spriting Simpleness: Porky: 1. We don't even have a decent base sprite for him; he'd have to be almost COMPLETELY custom. Masked Man: 3: We have the sprites from the game, but that's barely anything; though it can be easily edited, I think. Ninten: 4: PsiPaula4 made a wonderful sprite sheet with some moves already in, so we'd just have to edit that somewhat.
Overall for Porky: 19.5/25 Overall for Mman: 17.5/25 Overall for Ninten: 19/25
Wow...Porky won by .5...
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Post by SmashKing201 on Mar 25, 2011 10:39:13 GMT -5
1. Falcon & ganondorf should not be taken out cause even though sakurai was too lazy to give them their own movesets, they are still highly popular characters that chearly look nothing alike at all.
2. Though it seems unique to have all defensive moveset, it is not a good fighting style if there is no offensiveness at all.
3. Never said that the number of mother/eathbound reps already playable lessen his chances. The issue is that with ness already playable and being more well-know and popular than ninten and lucas representing the most recent part of the series, with 2 protagonist repping the series, what can ninten bring to the table especially if he looks way too similar to ness, and masked man and porky seem to have become more popular choices after brawl. We already have 2 heroes for the series. I think its time we add a villain as our next choice since that category needs to increase.
4. You have to look at it this way, he is popular in japan, ness is popular inside and outside japan, probably the same with porky and masked man.
5. I doubt that louie theory proves ninten on having high chances and this is why. Ness and ninten look way too much alike in almost every way possible. Same outfit, face, hair, hat, etc.. Louie and olimar do look alike, but that is only cause of their spacesuits. Louie is taller, hunches forward when standing, his facial structure, shape of skull, bigger nose, hair, and blue antenna makes it easier to identify the 2. Olimar can use pikmin while louie can use bulbmins. At least people can identify them without looking twice. And as popular as pikmin has gotten, it only makes sense for louie to be playable, especially since there are no other pikmin characters to choose from. As for ninten, the mother series already has its 2 most famous heroes playable, but its missing its villain. The villains porky and masked man are far more popular now than before and are both unique in both fighting styles, appearance, and their respective roles from their series.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on Mar 25, 2011 10:46:17 GMT -5
Sakurai's poll isn't what was considered. It was how many times the character was mentioned by Sakurai.
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Post by SmashKing201 on Mar 25, 2011 10:51:28 GMT -5
The poll wasnt a list of character that were mentioned by sakurai, they were mentioned TO him by japanese fans.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on Mar 25, 2011 11:17:12 GMT -5
Either way, the poll means nothing in why Ninten should be in. Otherwise Link's Uncle would be included as well.
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Post by SmashKing201 on Mar 25, 2011 11:34:00 GMT -5
I agree with you Golden, besides that poll was only for one fanbase, which were the japanese and not all smash fans in general
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Post by El Maiz on Mar 25, 2011 15:56:44 GMT -5
Ninten is popular in Japan, Ness in both. However, Lucas is really only known outside of Japan because of Brawl. If he hadn't been in Brawl, you guys would probably be fighting against him as well.
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Post by member 777 on Mar 26, 2011 0:14:04 GMT -5
i agree with el maiz
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on Mar 27, 2011 17:31:50 GMT -5
I wouldn't be fighting about Lucas. I'd want him in because he was planned to replace Ness in Melee.
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Post by member 777 on Mar 27, 2011 18:22:48 GMT -5
ok but does it matter if ness and ninten look alike so what all 4 ryus are the same yet there in crusade
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on Mar 27, 2011 20:05:57 GMT -5
It's still one character; and there's only two differences, Regular and Evil. With 2 selectable Final Smashes for both. Despite this, Evil Ryu is counted as Ryu, rather than his own character. Your argument is invalid.
It's different with Ness and Ninten, as it's two characters that look nearly the same. Don't try pulling the Link card, as the two Links have completely different styles and appearances.
Just give it up. No argument can make Ninten a good choice other than that he was in the first Mother game. So was Giygas, and he was in the second as well.
So....instead of Ninten....include Giygas in his form from Mother, then have his Final Smash utilize the form from Earthbound.
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Post by DGN on Mar 27, 2011 20:09:19 GMT -5
I'm hoping that last line was sarcastic.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on Mar 27, 2011 20:11:33 GMT -5
Why? Giygas is a better choice than Ninten.
But Porky before anyone.
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Post by DGN on Mar 27, 2011 20:15:17 GMT -5
So your saying... A...gas...human...alien in a capsule...thing...that only has a beam to use...is a better character than a character that actually has physics? I don't see where your going with this.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on Mar 27, 2011 20:42:42 GMT -5
He would fight OUT of the capsule, duh.
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