The roster is NOT finalized. >_>

[Werekill]

Mar 30, 2011 12:00:06 GMT -5 PhantomVII said:

Just to clear things up: I never told DMX that the character roster was finalized; in fact, I told him that it wasn't 100% complete only minutes before he made the announcement. What you see in the posted roster is not, by any means, guaranteed to be the "final" character roster. As we are only midway through development, changes to the roster are always possible. Sorry everyone for all the mess.

Yeah. Yay for being in the same school as P7!

[PhantomVII]

Mar 30, 2011 12:03:20 GMT -5 Werekill said:

Yeah. Yay for being in the same school as P7!

Yeah. And from now on, DMX will NOT be in charge of announcing anything, especially of it concerns characters.

Btw, DLCs are not officially planned yet (if ever). We might provide some, but I think after 80 characters we'll have done enough.

[-Dr.MarioX-]

Sorry for the hate here, but he just said that everyone on the forums are all idiots and that's why you criticized the final roster so much.

[phantomhp]

I'm sensing another power struggle coming up so I'm going to tell all of you to not even start it. DMX misinterpreted Phantom7 and so created a huge fiasco. Said fiasco is over now and things are in control again. From the looks of it The fight has already started so I guess this first paragraph was useless. Onto the next one.

You guys really do remind me of my family sometimes. Fighting over the smallest things. One little mistake and the youngest child is getting ganged up on by the oldest one around and a good friend. I've got nothing personal against any of you individually. Heck, I actually really like all of you. I don't like how you have to fight like this on the forum. Keep it in real life at least. That and 2 against 1 isn't exactly fair.

Sorry for my bit of anger here. I watched this happen on the old forum and I'm seeing a repetition of the same event. That's all I have to say on the matter.

[DGN]

So you left?
Ya know, to be honest I don't really care.
Like they've said before, you were power-crazy, and what happened happened.
So yay for this.
And I AM aware that he's said that before. Or at least, you said it. I don't know whether or not to believe you.

But yeah. Now that that's taken over.

[falcon8r]

Ugh... You guys are so silly. We all knew the roster won't be final until we're closer to completing the game.

[El Maiz]

All I have to say.

YESYESYESYESYESYESYES.

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Thank God that this was just a mistake...

[Werekill]

Mar 30, 2011 14:57:52 GMT -5 -Dr.MarioX- said:

Sorry for the hate here, but he just said that everyone on the forums are all idiots and that's why you criticized the final roster so much.

Oh, no, once again you misunderstood us. We said that people on the forum act like idiots a lot of the time, and we shouldn't take their word as exactly what we need to do.

No offense to anyone, but I mean really: homer simpson? Lol.

Stop being a little twat, DMX. Teamwork is the name of the game here.

[DGN]

Some of us are actually kind of young here. It explains the reason for that.
And according to his profile, it appears he's left...again. :/
I expected a post on SmashBoards or his forums or something like that, but theres nothing.

[SmashKing201]

Great, now it's "old forum drama" all over again. Everyone needs to lighten up and realize it is all a misunderstanding.

[Dettadeus]

Mar 30, 2011 18:58:28 GMT -5 Werekill said:

We said that people on the forum act like idiots a lot of the time, and we shouldn't take their word as exactly what we need to do.

Well, can you blame us? We're a small portion of the fans (and the only ones who bother participating in discussions), and as this is a fangame, wouldn't it make sense that you take some of our ideas into account? Just because you guys think a character is deserving doesn't necessarily mean that the fans do. To balance it out, just because the fans want a character in doesn't mean they should be in (I'm looking at you, Homer).
On a similar note, what you guys find nostalgic, the fans may not, and what we find nostalgic, you may not. We can't just find a balance?

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Mar 30, 2011 18:58:28 GMT -5 Werekill said:

Mar 30, 2011 14:57:52 GMT -5 -Dr.MarioX- said:

Sorry for the hate here, but he just said that everyone on the forums are all idiots and that's why you criticized the final roster so much.

Oh, no, once again you misunderstood us. We said that people on the forum act like idiots a lot of the time, and we shouldn't take their word as exactly what we need to do.

No offense to anyone, but I mean really: homer simpson? Lol.
Stop being a little twat, DMX. Teamwork is the name of the game here.

Better choice than Frank West, at least.

[Dettadeus]

Mar 30, 2011 12:11:40 GMT -5 PhantomVII said:

Btw, DLCs are not officially planned yet (if ever). We might provide some, but I think after 80 characters we'll have done enough.

Oh yeah, one last thing on the DLC topic:
There are obviously some characters that a lot of people want that we know aren't going to be on the roster (the Minister, being one of them). If you guys aren't going to give the fans the least amount of direct influence of the roster, you could at least allow us some DLC -the characters of which decided by the fans- to make up for the holes we believe are in the roster. That's pretty much the entire point of DLC; give the fans a little more of what they want that you couldn't (or wouldn't) fit in at first.

And one more thing, then I'm gonna shut up for a while:
You guys are a team that comes around once in a generation. The youngest brother is a great spriter, and was willing to sprite nearly half the roster. The middle brother finds the time and has the knowledge to program the entire game by himself. The oldest has the leadership skills to pull it all together. And the friend has the time to promote the game and moderate the forum.
When you put all these together, you get a great game with a great community. That's what's happening now.
What I don't understand is how you four haven't realized this. For god's sake, you're making what has the potential to be the greatest Super Smash Bros fangame ever, and here we all are, arguing about the characters that won't be added for months or, god forbid, years. This issue, along with a few others, are repeatedly threatening to break up the luckiest meeting of resources required for a game in a long time.
You're brothers. And you're letting a game and a few mistakes get in the way of that.
I think you guys need to take a weekend and honestly discuss what each of the four of you sees in the future for Crusade, and what you're going to do to get it there (And while you're all convened for this, you could make the interview as well).

Of course, this is just my personal opinion, and I -as a simple forum member- obviously don't have power in your lives or personal opinions. You can consider what I've said, you can ignore it, you can take it to heart. I just think that this has to stop happening.

[sumika]

-sigh- Everyone acts like an idiot at one point or another.

And who should be in a game is completely opinionated. Simple as that.

[PartisanDaw]

Mar 30, 2011 15:21:01 GMT -5 falcon8r said:

Ugh... You guys are so silly. We all knew the roster won't be final until we're closer to completing the game.

I tought so too.The Devs would not show us the full roster.

[Werekill]

Haha, yes, I know that there are a ton of young people on here, so I don't normally go around and call people stupid. I just disprove their arguments with reasoning and such.

I really don't know why DMX is raging, lol. Yesterday at their house, all Phantom and I did was say, "Hey, don't spoil the roster again!" and etc.

[falcon8r]

Mar 30, 2011 19:19:13 GMT -5 Dettadeus said:

Mar 30, 2011 12:11:40 GMT -5 PhantomVII said:

Btw, DLCs are not officially planned yet (if ever). We might provide some, but I think after 80 characters we'll have done enough.

Oh yeah, one last thing on the DLC topic:
There are obviously some characters that a lot of people want that we know aren't going to be on the roster (the Minister, being one of them). If you guys aren't going to give the fans the least amount of direct influence of the roster, you could at least allow us some DLC -the characters of which decided by the fans- to make up for the holes we believe are in the roster. That's pretty much the entire point of DLC; give the fans a little more of what they want that you couldn't (or wouldn't) fit in at first.

And one more thing, then I'm gonna shut up for a while:
You guys are a team that comes around once in a generation. The youngest brother is a great spriter, and was willing to sprite nearly half the roster. The middle brother finds the time and has the knowledge to program the entire game by himself. The oldest has the leadership skills to pull it all together. And the friend has the time to promote the game and moderate the forum.
When you put all these together, you get a great game with a great community. That's what's happening now.
What I don't understand is how you four haven't realized this. For god's sake, you're making what has the potential to be the greatest Super Smash Bros fangame ever, and here we all are, arguing about the characters that won't be added for months or, god forbid, years. This issue, along with a few others, are repeatedly threatening to break up the luckiest meeting of resources required for a game in a long time.
You're brothers. And you're letting a game and a few mistakes get in the way of that.
.

Aww thanks man...

But I'm the oldest! Haha!

Surely we'll work this out. What are we gonna do without Dr.MarioX? Don't leave us!

[Dettadeus]

Mar 31, 2011 15:10:18 GMT -5 falcon8r said:

But I'm the oldest! Haha!

...I could'a sworn someone told me Phantom was the oldest...
You get the idea though.

[DGN]

DMX is 13, Phantom7 is 17, Werekill is 17, and Falcon is 22, I belive.

I think this thread can be locked.
There's no real need for it to continue, as there's not really anything to discuss.