Last call for character input! (0.7)

[falcon8r]

As far as character balance goes, I think version 0.6 has definitely been the best so far. However, 0.7 is coming up, so I'm now taking final input from anyone who thinks more tweaks to the characters are necessary.

Here are some major engine changes to consider:

• Falling speed is now 20% higher
  
• Gravity is 20% higher
  
• Hit stun formula is different, usually allowing more hit stun in most cases
  
• No more rolling off edges or grabbing airborne enemies
  
• Knockback growth is now 10% higher, which doesn't sound like much, but it makes quite a big difference in KO power
  
• Shield stun is generally 3-5 frames less on all attacks
  

So far, the most important character changes have been

• Goku's being resprited and will feature a new moveset! His Kaioken has also been nerfed, causing him more damage and lasting about two seconds less time.
  
• The stun properties of Zero Suit Samus's and Krystal's special attacks have changed, disallowing stun chains.
  
• Fox's Reflector is nearly impossible to combo from in most cases. However, he is better at juggling with his other moves.
  
• Samus's Bomb Jump has been slightly improved, enhancing her ability to run away and helping her to recover.
  
• Toad's Veggie has been nerfed slightly in terms of knockback, and his Down Smash has less shield stun.
  
• Kirby now runs faster and has slightly higher knockback on some moves. He also gains the Parasol ability from Peach and Toad.
  
• Krystal's knockback on a few moves was reduced. However, there have been no changes to frame data, etc.
  
• Peach has more damage on Down Smash, as well as having better hitboxes on several normal attacks, and other minor buffs.
  
• Snake jumps a bit higher (relative to the other characters), and has less landing time on all aerial moves. His Up Aerial and Back Aerial are also more powerful.
  
• Evil Ryu has some new moves and new animations, including a new alternate Final Smash, Messatsu Go Shoryu. He is also faster, but easier to launch from the stage than before.
  
• Mega Man has better hitboxes and frame data on many normal attacks. In particular, his Down Air Attack has a larger hitbox, as well as his Jab having a larger hitbox and coming out 1 frame faster.
  

So post your thoughts, suggestions, etc.!

[Dettadeus]

Suggestion: The change to Krystal's n-special.

[Super Kooparaider]

For Mega Man, I think he should have a new Up Special. Ether Rush Coil or the robotic bird Beat who arrives to save him just like in Mega Man 7.

[sumika]

That takes Spriting. I think he means physics. Not appearance or move changes. Unless we have a sheet. Which we dun.

[El Maiz]

Isn't Evil Ryu getting a sprite overhaul?

[falcon8r]

May 5, 2011 16:12:12 GMT -5 El Maiz said:

Isn't Evil Ryu getting a sprite overhaul?

Read teh OP. Yes.

As for Mega Man, a sprite change will HOPEFULLY happen in the future. And I completely forgot his changes. Updating now.

[El Maiz]

You just said he had a few new moves.
I thought that the sprites were going to change completely.

[member 777]

pk thunder long tail, more turnable

also noticed in waiting room if you do ness down special and cancel it

it creates a bit of wind like young link's leaf

tried ness down special on smash bag and my bro on a vs match it works

[diego222]

I thought you were going to give Kirby a little bit of range in some of his attacks. That would help him a lot better than increasing his speed.

[-Dr.MarioX-]

This all sounds good here. You know, I was thinking about using JUS Goku to make R@%'s sprites. I can probably do it anyways.

[sumika]

If I may speak up a bit, I think you should wait a bit after Falcon does the changes to megaman. Just to be on the safe side.

[falcon8r]

To give Kirby more range, we'll have to edit a lot of sprites, but the edits shouldn't be a big deal.

[corey95]

What about Sonic's speed, he need to go a little faster, and when you dash, he goes heaps faster, that's what like in Brawl.

[Felipe_9595]

I liked all the general phisics changes (Hitstun, gravity etc)

I HATED the Characters Specific changes, you nerfed Toad (Imo, is like to nerf Kirby on Melee ) and cut out the lag from snakes aerials (they are Devastating, the only flaw they had were the langingd lag, Snake will be a machine on 0.7 )

Add L-cancel and i will cry XD

[falcon8r]

Well, I think Snake's aerial game is below-average in SSBC due to his landing lag and slowness in the air. The fact that he falls faster now and has less landing lag helps him use Bair as an air-to-ground spacing tool (without getting punished every time).

And Toad didn't get totally nerfed. The engine changes work mostly in his favor.

Although I'll consider what you said when working on the game in the near future.

[PartisanDaw]

Does Kirby got his Falcon Punch?
Aand...
Any changes on my Fav?

[ensane]

Can Lucario have better recovery? I still feel he lacks survivability. Also, just curious: what's the range on his down air?

[DGN]

I'd like to see something change with Saki.
When you activate his final smash, there's a possibility the opponent will fall out of the shooting range after the slashing and it could mess you up completely.
I'd like to see that when you use the final smash, its either a wide, large charge shot that spans a distance enough to hit the opponent, or make the opponent always go in one straight path upwards, and never stray from it.

[falcon8r]

May 7, 2011 13:32:52 GMT -5 PartisanDaw said:

Does Kirby got his Falcon Punch?
Aand...
Any changes on my Fav?

Kirby will get it soon!

May 7, 2011 13:46:03 GMT -5 ensane said:

Can Lucario have better recovery? I still feel he lacks survivability. Also, just curious: what's the range on his down air?

Yes, I believe he should have slightly better recovery, but remember Lucario's already quite a solid character.

And here are the two Dair hitboxes (with no Aura):

May 7, 2011 13:51:11 GMT -5 DGN said:

I'd like to see something change with Saki.
When you activate his final smash, there's a possibility the opponent will fall out of the shooting range after the slashing and it could mess you up completely.
I'd like to see that when you use the final smash, its either a wide, large charge shot that spans a distance enough to hit the opponent, or make the opponent always go in one straight path upwards, and never stray from it.

I have fixed this already, thanks for the suggestion though.

[ensane]

Also is pika's tjolt angle any different? And TL's arrows sometimes automatically stretch back when going throug platforms. And can you make it so that air dodging makes you not catch the returning boomerang?