Matchups

[Zeldasmash]

Here is my opinion on the matchups.

The High Tiers

Goku

0(Even)
Bomberman, Fox

1(Slight Favourable)
Krystal, Link, Samus, ZSS, Toad, Mario, Saki

2(Favourable)
Toon Link, Waluigi, Lucario, Meta Knight, Ristar, Pikachu, Megaman, Lucas, Captain Falcon, Luigi, Ryu, Tails, Knuckles, Sonic, Mach Rider

3(Largely Favourable)
Ness, Peach, Kirby

4(Almost Unlosable)
Wario, Snake, Yoshi

Krystal

-1(Slightly Unfavourable)
Goku, Bomberman

0(Even)
Fox

1(Slightly Favourable)
Saki, Jigglypuff, Link, Mach Rider, Tails, Lucario, Waluigi, Mario, Meta Knight, Ristar, Toon Link, Knuckles, Ryu

2(Favourable)
Captain Falcon, Samus, Pikachu, Toad, Luigi, Megaman, Lucas, Sonic, Kirby

3(Largely Favourable)
Ness, Wario, Snake, ZSS

4(Almost Unlosable)
Peach, Yoshi

Bomberman

-3(Largely Unfavourable)
Fox

-2(Unfavourable)
Link

-1(Slightly Unfavourable)
Tails, Saki, Mario

0(Even)
Goku

1(Slightly Favourable)
Krystal, Toon Link, ZSS, Lucario, Peach

2(Favourable)
Sonic, Samus, Captain Falcon, Knuckles, Mach Rider, Ryu, Waluigi, Meta Knight, Jigglypuff, Megaman

3(Largely Favourable)
Pikachu, Lucas, Ness, Ristar, Toad, Wario, Snake

4(Almost Unlosable)
Kirby, Yoshi

Ryu

-2(Unfavourable)
Goku, Bomberman

-1(Slightly Unfavourable)
Krystal, Meta Knight, Fox, Saki

0(Even)
Link, Captain Falcon, Toon Link, Toad, Mario, Mach Rider, ZSS, Jigglypuff, Tails

1(Slightly Favourable)
Samus, Luigi, Ristar, Sonic, Knuckles, Lucario, Waluigi, Pikachu

2(Favourable)
Megaman, Lucas, Ness, Snake

3(Largely Favourable)
Peach, Wario

4(Almost Unlosable)
Kirby, Yoshi


1(Favourable)

[El Maiz]

I'm gonna go ahead and say that I think Megaman wins against Bomberman.

[Felipe_9595]

Took snake out from all the Almost Unlosable category and i think i will be accord XD (Snake is high tier XD)

Well, not that accord (all of this matchups are based on your tier list, some things are ok, others are completly wrong)

[ensane]

I agree with that. Also, I think Bomberman and Ryu are quite overated. Bomberman's spam has huge gaps in it, no matter how well you do it. Jiggs and Meta do much better than that against him, as ground bombs are irrelevant and neither have trouble avoiding (or canceling) ice bombs. I'm not really sure how Toon Link doesn't go even with Krystal. Staff Throw and Boomerang cancel each other and they have practically the same range and speed.

Also wouldn't this be much easier to discuss in every character's individual discussion? That way it's easier to discuss what characters you're better at.

[Dettadeus]

Krystal's definitely not slightly unfavorable with Bomberman. Her S-Special outprioritizes everything he can do. At the BEST for Bomberman they're even, but it's more likely just barely in Krystal's favor. Most of the rest for Krystal I agree with.
And Fox might actually have to move up on the tier list. I'll have to post a video soon of how horribly he can beat Goku ;D
Also, Yoshi should move out of Krystal's "almost unlosable" category because of the Stun Glitch that makes it near impossible to follow up a Demon Sniper shot with anything useful. Probably the only instance in which Yoshi's glitchiness works in his favor.
Also, Krystal belongs in Ryu's "-2 Unfavorable" category since her S-Special can outprioritize his Hadouken and he has no other long range attacks that can counter the Demon Sniper.

[Felipe_9595]

May 24, 2011 20:03:33 GMT -5 Dettadeus said:

Krystal's definitely not slightly unfavorable with Bomberman. Her S-Special outprioritizes everything he can do. At the BEST for Bomberman they're even, but it's more likely just barely in Krystal's favor. Most of the rest for Krystal I agree with.
And Fox might actually have to move up on the tier list. I'll have to post a video soon of how horribly he can beat Goku ;D
Also, Yoshi should move out of Krystal's "almost unlosable" category because of the Stun Glitch that makes it near impossible to follow up a Demon Sniper shot with anything useful. Probably the only instance in which Yoshi's glitchiness works in his favor.
Also, Krystal belongs in Ryu's "-2 Unfavorable" category since her S-Special can outprioritize his Hadouken and he has no other long range attacks that can counter the Demon Sniper.

Nah, yoshi deserves that spot XD (he kill himself if he do a swallow followed by a egg roll o-o)

[ensane]

But doesn't Ryu's focus thingy make energy projectiles pass through? (Sorry, can't test atm).

[El Maiz]

Good point!

If only he could FADC in this game.

[falcon8r]

I think Fox may be unfavorable for Goku. He's way faster and can easily deal with Goku's projectiles, as well as easily edgeguard Goku.

[Zeldasmash]

I was thinking the same thing. And another thing is that Fox reflects the Ki Blast and the start of the Kamehameha.

[ensane]

Fox also has no particular trouble recovering. There might be some problems when it comes time to kill, though. Goku outranges him by quite a bit.

[phantomhp]

Goku may outrange fox but getting in close is never a problem with Fox if you're careful enough. Also the reflector beats all ranged attacks. I don't remember Goku being particularly good at anti-air so fox's approach is a cinch on him. That may be Ryu's problem with him as well.

[ensane]

Goku's utilt should work well enough. Same with Ryu's ftilt.

[phantomhp]

May 26, 2011 9:58:31 GMT -5 ensane said:

Goku's utilt should work well enough. Same with Ryu's ftilt.

Very true. I am wondering though if a Fox could use a reflector to delay his landing and get through an attack and make a proper counter. I'm going to play around against a computer so I actually know what I'm talking about though.

[Zeldasmash]

ITS DONE!! Go check it out on the wiki!

crusade.wikia.com/wiki/Crusade_Matchups

[DGN]

Ristar's actually pretty neutral with Goku.
And Ristar is fantastic against Meta.

[Zeldasmash]

Jul 12, 2011 9:27:58 GMT -5 DGN said:

Ristar's actually pretty neutral with Goku.
And Ristar is fantastic against Meta.

Meta Knight has a better ground game. And can chain grab. And can stay as equal time as Ristar in the air. Ristar is lighter than Meta Knight. And one thing. Meta Knight is x5 faster than Ristar who is very slow in the ground. Ristar has obviously better range and can kill easier. But Meta Knight has an easier time edge-guardging.

Ristar. Has. Absolutely. No. Projectile. At. All.

Goku can kill significantly easier than Ristar. Can camp Ristar with Ki-Blast and Ristar (besides jumping) can't do a thing about it, especially up close, forcing him to shield, eventually leading to a shield break. Kamehameha can edgeguard Ristar's UpB and most of his attacks have high priority. Uair is dangerous for Ristar. How can Ristar go even with that?

[DGN]

Ristar can clearly edgeguard fantastically, whether it be on the air or the ground.
And Metaknight may be faster. But can't do anything projectile-based. So he has to come to Ristar who has the priority of range.
Or, you can use the side special to go fast. That's what defeats the speed problem. And if you can't get to Ristar, you can't chain grab, and you can use up-b to get the opponent away from you. And basically, the goal with Ristar is to keep the enemy in the air, which he can easily do.

Not to mention Meta Knight's AI is horrible.

[falcon8r]

AI not relevant. >.>

Also, Meta Knight is lighter than Ristar, and he falls more slowly. I'd say the matchup isn't too badly skewed in either character's favor, but definitely slightly easier for Meta Knight.


EDIT: Oh, and I nerfed Reflector's recovery time when you let go of B, so maybe some of Fox's projectile-happy opponents will be able to deal with it more easily.

[ensane]

I think it's more in MK's favor than that. Ristar doesn't have that many moves that outrange MK, and the ones that do are very telegraphed.