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Post by Zeldasmash on Apr 8, 2011 21:18:25 GMT -5
I wish to make this thread to discuss Bomberman in competitive play. Below is my opinion on his matchups -3 Fox -2 Link -1 Tails 0 Goku, Mario, Saki +1 Krystal, Toon Link, Zamus, Lucario, Peach +2 Sonic, Knuckles, Luigi, Samus, Jiggs, Ryu, Captain Falcon, Mach Rider, Waluigi, Meta Knight, +3 Ness, Lucas, Ristar, Wario, Megaman, Toad +4 Snake, Kirby, Yoshi Attachments:
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Post by perfecthell4 on Apr 9, 2011 15:20:29 GMT -5
Why do you say +4 against Snake?
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Post by El Maiz on Apr 9, 2011 15:22:43 GMT -5
Simply put, Snake sucks and Bomberman's broken.
They're opposite ends of the spectrum.
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Post by Dettadeus on Apr 9, 2011 15:23:06 GMT -5
Because right now, Snake sucks in this game.
He's going to move up MASSIVELY in 1.0 though.
For these matchups, I'd say I agree with them. vs Krystal might be more of a neutral match though.
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Post by perfecthell4 on Apr 9, 2011 15:30:52 GMT -5
A lot of people seem to think Snake is a terrible character in the smash games. A well played Snake however is deadly. Bomberman isn't broken either.
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Post by El Maiz on Apr 9, 2011 15:31:58 GMT -5
Snake is amazing in Brawl. We said nothing about that.
And Generic proved that a Level 1 Bomberman could beat three level nine anyone elses.
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Post by DGN on Apr 9, 2011 15:40:18 GMT -5
Well, technically that was only by externally editing the game, so...
And IMO, bombie's broken-er than goku.
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Post by perfecthell4 on Apr 9, 2011 15:55:23 GMT -5
What do you find broken about him?
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Post by DGN on Apr 9, 2011 16:00:09 GMT -5
His Normal special can be easily spammed
FSmash can go a long distance, have several hitboxes
USmash hits many many times with great knockback
And, for the grand finale, the spotlight...
If you're hit once by the easily subject to hitting final smash, there is no escape.
The cutting adds for comobs, the bombs make great knockback to knock into the cutter, and he leads you upwards so you can KO.
He's not broken when someone uses it, but when the CPU uses it, GAME OVER.
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Post by El Maiz on Apr 9, 2011 16:32:55 GMT -5
He's almost impossible to use, but the CPU is nigh unbeatable.
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Post by member 777 on Apr 9, 2011 16:38:39 GMT -5
why is ness and lucas +3 that is unreasonable
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Post by perfecthell4 on Apr 9, 2011 17:00:15 GMT -5
His Normal special can be easily spammed But it's not an effective tacticFSmash can go a long distance, have several hitboxes This is true, also has great knockbackUSmash hits many many times with great knockback not arguing here eitherAnd, for the grand finale, the spotlight... If you're hit once by the easily subject to hitting final smash, there is no escape. The cutting adds for comobs, the bombs make great knockback to knock into the cutter, and he leads you upwards so you can KO. He's not broken when someone uses it, but when the CPU uses it, GAME OVER. Well the main point here, his FS, doesn't matter much. It's not a part of competitive play, and therefore doesn't add broken qualities. It's only broken on casual play terms, so you could argue that, but in terms of tier placement, this ability isn't pushing him upBomberman has great smash attacks, but not much else going for him. |
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Post by El Maiz on Apr 9, 2011 17:03:41 GMT -5
Have you played against a high level Bomberman CPU?
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Post by perfecthell4 on Apr 9, 2011 17:08:47 GMT -5
I never play lower than max difficulty, I have played against bomberman many times. CPU skill has no bearing on matchups
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Post by El Maiz on Apr 9, 2011 17:09:51 GMT -5
I know that. I am just saying that the AI is ridiculous.
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Post by Zeldasmash on Apr 9, 2011 19:01:29 GMT -5
Lucas and Ness are VERY easy to edgeguard and his Bombs are very useful in edgeguarding.
Snake is significantly easy to combo and Bomberman can combo him very easy. Snake is DOOMED when Bomberman starts spamming.
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Post by perfecthell4 on Apr 9, 2011 22:03:03 GMT -5
The spam isn't really useful, it's way too easy to get around. What combo's are you referring to?
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Post by traweezie on Apr 10, 2011 3:58:05 GMT -5
I don't think bomberman is cheap at all and I don't think snake sucks either. But bomberman does spam quite a bit you could easily use snakes side special to cancel out the bombs. I don't main snake but I can easily beat a level 9 bomberman
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Post by falcon8r on Apr 11, 2011 10:54:59 GMT -5
I agree somwhat with Bomberman's matchups, but (not to give us devs too much credit  ) I think that the matchup with Snake is more even than +4 Bomberman's favor. If Snake makes good use of his grenades, they can force Bomberman to shield/move around a lot. The only problem is that Snake is a lot slower. I'd say it's +2 or +3. |
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Post by ensane on Apr 11, 2011 14:54:29 GMT -5
I disagree with the neutral matchup against Saki. He may not have the speed that Fox does, but the lasers leave Bomberman with few options. Bomberman can:
A) Shield: Doesn't help with with the large range and short cooldown of the lasers.
B) Neutral Special: Would work if the bombs block lasers, but I don't think that's the case. Saki shields and continues lasering.
C) Approaching: Works best if used with option B, but when Saki feels lasers are no longer safe it will turn to hand to hand where Bomberman is again at a disadvantage because of range issues.
I believe most of Bomberman's damage will come from short hopping around mid range and using Side special (which only works if Saki approaches foolishly instead of backing off or approaching intelligently)
Saki's damage will come from lasers and the occasional melee attack.
The only reason I see Saki as being even slightly lower than Fox is because Bomberman has an easier time edgeguarding Saki than Fox.
EDIT: Also, why is this not in individual character discussion?
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) I think that the matchup with Snake is more even than +4 Bomberman's favor. If Snake makes good use of his grenades, they can force Bomberman to shield/move around a lot. The only problem is that Snake is a lot slower. I'd say it's +2 or +3. 
