Isaac's last stand

[phantomhp]

The famed hero of Vale was apparently taken off the roster, and though the devs are unquestionably in charge of all things crusade, I don't like the new change. I understand that in the end it all comes down to the makers of the game on who is in and who isn't, but I'm just going to try and convince you guys to change your minds.

From what I got from DMX, Isaac was taken out solely based on the difficulty of the sprites and not being able to create a unique and fun moveset for this particular character. Until recently I thought that the ease of making a spritesheet had no impact on whether a character would make an appearance, but because it does now I thought I would take away that factor with a spritesheet of my own making.

It will take a lot of time because I generally don't have much free time to spend on this, but it's better than no spritesheet. As for a moveset, there are a lot of creative minds here, and I'm pretty sure that Isaac is an interesting enough character to have a fairly unique and creative moveset made with not much work from everyone.

On an ending note, I would like to once again say that it is the devs that have the power here. All decisions are made by you guys and I have no power to make you reconsider. I can hope that after I make a sheet you would reconsider.

PS: I completely disallow flaming in this forum. I demand that everyone shows the utmost respect and that opinions will be respected as well.

I now invite you to discuss and I wouldn't mind some sprite critique as well.

EDIT: Generic's improvement ideas


this is my first rough draft. Still needs animations and I may change the pose to something more combative.

[DGN]

The head needs more work on, but for a rough draft, it's great! I personally have no problem with the body.

And as the prince of movesets(king being shadowhunter from the SSF2 forums), I'd love to make a moveset. [/ego]
However, I need to play his game......which I hear happens to be wonderful, and I like Isaac at that.
Off I go to find a ROM!

[phantomhp]

Do it.

Also thanks for the input, I've done some quick edits

[DGN]

Hm, I think I perfer the old hair, but with the new face. Just a thought.
Also, there were some good ideas here: ssbcforum.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ssbcgcd&action=display&thread=20&page=2

And also, so far I have a rough idea for a side smash. He'd jump a bit forward, slamming his sword downward, then jump backwards. Seems like a generic RPG move that hasn't been used yet, and it'd be focused on speed rather than power.

[phantomhp]

probably the last thing I'll do for the moment. this is a standing animation.


Generic, I think that would actually be a perfect fit for his smash!

[DGN]

Great so far, but I think the toes shouldn't budge. Right now it looks like the feet are just extending with an extra pixel.

[SmashKing201]

I remember myself and several other regulars here discussed a moveset on the character discussion thread long time ago.

[DGN]

I also have an idea for a Down Smash-Quake.
Isaac slams the ground, and two rock pillars raise to the sides of him, making opponents be knocked upwards. It also serves as a wall that prevents people of moving to Isaac for about a second.

[member 777]

here's some idea's

Special Attacks:

B Special: Unleash flint for a strong attack similar to falcon punch
Side Special: Using the Move Psynergy can push enemines in front and behind you
Up B: Wild Growth Psynergy causing vines to appear and can attack enemies directly above you. Also can grab edges if falling
Down B: Counter-Attack causing you to parry then front kick the enemy knocking him back

OR OR OR
for special moves use


Neutral Special: Move
- Sends out a large Hand moving straight forward. any object in the path is forced along
- can be charged. the longer it's charged, the further and faster the hand moves
- doesn't do damage and can be jumped over even after being hit
- essentially the same thing as the Isaac Assist from brawl minus the rapid fire

Forward Special: Odyssey
- Summons two swords in front of him which charge forward and cross
- Afterward, Isaac launches forward, making a larger sword appear
- www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUShZdTX_u4&t=0m18s cause I suck at explaining
- High knockback

Up Special: Grab/Catch
- Isaac throws out a Psynergy hand that grabs on to the nearest enemy or ledge
- If an opponent is grabbed, the hand throws him/her into the nearest wall/obstacle
- if a ledge is grabbed (only while in the air), the hand pulls Isaac to the ledge

Down Special: Grand Gaia / Ragnarok
- The earth around Isaac breaks open, emitting a red light
- any opponent in range gets drawn in, damaged several times and then thrown upwards
- weak knock...up
- when used while in the air, Isaac will slam downward taking everyone in the path with him
- once on the ground, Grand Gaia starts normally

Final Smash: Judgment
- the Knight fires a energy blast that bursts into a huge circular explosion
- ^like the Fire Mine thing from Brawl, only much bigger
- the blast stays on screen for a few second and has a suck-in effect


AAA - Vertical slash, Horizontal Slash, Jab. 3 Hit combo. (2%, 2%, 4%)

>A - Horizontal Swipe (8-9%, some, but low horizontal KO potential)

vA - Spinning Leg sweep (4%, chance of tripping)

^A - Upwards swipe (8-9%, medium high vertical KO potential)

Nair - Isaac does a somersault in air (4-5%)

Fair - Isaac does a spinning kick, after executing this attack, Isaac is facing the opposite direction (7-8%, some KO potential)

Bair - Isaac kicks out backwards quickly (8-9%, can chain into itself at lower percentages, at higher percentages has KO potential)

Dair - Isaac thrusts his sword downwards with one hand, slightly in front of the direction he is facing. Meteor capability when hit with correct area, otherwise sends them upwards. (13%, medium high KO ability)

Uair - Isaac swipes the air above him. (9%, low vertical KO ability)

Fsmash - Flint: Flint imbues the blade with an earthly aura while charging and Isaac releases it with a double handed vertical slash. (10-19%, reasonably high KO potential)

Dsmash - Growth/Mad Growth/Wild Growth: Isaac stabs his sword into the ground and vines shoot out simultaneously either side of him. (11-17%, low vertical KO potential)

Usmash - Isaac swipes upwards and then downwards (4-7% + 7-10%, first strike has virtually no knockback, second strike has reasonably high KO potential)


Grab: Catch (again): Isaac sends a Ghostly hand forward a short distance that grabs a grounded enemy. Isaac then snaps to enemy upon successful grab. Significant delay upon miss (while hand spins, shrinks and disappates). Pivot grab reduces this delay.

Pummel: Isaac hits them repeatedly with the hilt of the Sol Blade (1% per strike)

FThrow: Psynergetic hand throws them forward a set distance that does not increase by damage (7%)

BThrow: Psynergetic hand suplexes them backwards, causing them to bounce once they hit the stage. (9-10%, very low KO potential)

Uthrow: Psynergetic hand tosses them upwards a set distance that does not increase with percentage. (6%, combo potential)

Dthrow: Psynergetic hand rises, flips and slams them downwards headfirst. (12-13%, significant knockback but not much KO potential due to trajectory)

[DGN]

I think you should use quotes.
But seriously. How did DMX NOT find those?

[phantomhp]

Maybe DMX believes that these moves don't exactly bring much new to the table, or maybe that they would be too difficult to sprite, or maybe he didn't see them at all. Either way that is for him to say and not me. I think I can work with those ideas thanks to the wonderful amount of detail!

[DGN]

At this moment, it appears that we need more moves involving magic so that he's more unique, so I'll try and think of others to replace those more than ones already using magic.
BTW, idea for Down Special.
Flint spins around Isaac, powering his moves for a few seconds, doing 2% damage to yourself each time you hit.

And new idea for Up Smash. Isaac uses Flint(again), as a summon, so Isaac puts his sword up. In front of him, a few yellow orbs(or whatever they are when he uses that move) go upwards, attacking the opponent a few times, then making them go upwards.

[phantomhp]

I have a strange feeling you are enjoying the beginning of Golden Sun right now...

[DGN]

Why yes, actually! It is a very fun game, and I'm not that fond of RPGs that aren't pokemon.
And also, Down special would probably only be functional for sword based moves, which I plan on having a mininum of.

Also, I perfer the second moveset that red posted.

[PartisanDaw]

Awesome,just awesome!

I think , as for the movesets , Psi power should be in the Specials AND Normal attacks.For example:
Down Smash:
Use his hand psi move (don't know hows called) on both sides of Isaac, The hands move fast but whit a short distance.

EDIT: Also, final Smash HAVE TO BE Jugment!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iHwgkwtMUY

EDIT2: For the Idle,you have a bright pixel on Isaacs right leg

[DGN]

I'm still kind of neutral on the quake down smash.

And I currently feel that the neutral specials should be the ones that were actually suggested on that page I linked. Normal Special is Move, side special is Odyssey, but I don't feel up special should be Ragnarok. It doesn't like like a recovery move.

[El Maiz]

Does he have more than one neutral special?

[DGN]

....What?
....Oh.
I mean "I currently feel that the [specials] should be the ones..."

EDIT: Also, idea for back air. The Mars Djiin goes in a diagonal angle behind Isaac, then dissapears. if anyone is hit, they are burned.

[falcon8r]

(please don't remove Isaac please don't remove Isaac please don't remove Isaac please don't remove Isaac)

Red, where'd you find those? I am interested now. I think those moves are unique.

[DGN]

Jul 9, 2011 10:53:46 GMT -5 falcon8r said:

(please don't remove Isaac please don't remove Isaac please don't remove Isaac please don't remove Isaac)

I'm interested, do you know why they make certain changes without telling you?