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Post by Felipe_9595 on Jan 22, 2011 15:11:34 GMT -5
yeah but a person with the same skill as that ganon using meta is gonna win.
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Post by falcon8r on Jan 22, 2011 15:47:02 GMT -5
Yeah, GENERALLY. I don't always trust tier lists. In SSBC, there's really not a tier system yet.
In SSBC, I think Fox is really good. It's hard to keep him out. For this reason, I don't think he needs a speed boost, as someone was saying earlier.
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Post by PartisanDaw on Jan 23, 2011 4:44:22 GMT -5
Yeah,he should be faster!
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Post by sumika on Jan 23, 2011 6:21:07 GMT -5
Yeah, GENERALLY. I don't always trust tier lists. In SSBC, there's really not a tier system yet. In SSBC, I think Fox is really good. It's hard to keep him out. For this reason, I don't think he needs a speed boost, as someone was saying earlier. I think the same way.  I got stuck with Pichu and my Friend was Fox in Melee today, and I mopped the floor with him. Which surprised me because I cant beat his Fox as Marth, my main. XD |
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Post by El Maiz on Jan 23, 2011 9:12:42 GMT -5
Suppose that he wasn't used to fighting Pichu.
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Post by phantomhp on Jan 23, 2011 10:02:14 GMT -5
that's how it normally works. First time I tried Yoshi for real I whooped on my brother's best ganondorf (he likes the slow powerful characters because he thinks he's manly). I never got around to trying him for a few years for some reason. Of course now I'm getting off topic.
Fox is a very fast character, any faster and he would actually either be very broken or impossible to use.
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Post by falcon8r on Jan 23, 2011 16:15:38 GMT -5
Okay, I played as Fox vs Ryu today a bit, and it seems the CPU is not half bad at fighting this match up. It should be pretty close to even, as Fox can be all over the place, but Ryu's projectile wins and Ryu has better spacing moves. But, I thought of a few things that would make Fox even more balanced in general.
- Less damage/stun on Up Tilt
- Slightly more range on Foward Smash
- Slightly less knockback and more landing lag on Bair
- More recovery on Reflector
And that's pretty much it. Otherwise, he seems all right. What do you think?
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Post by Dettadeus on Jan 23, 2011 16:18:50 GMT -5
I personally think his up tilt is fine, but that's just me. And my comboing.
Never use his b-air, so I don't care what you do with it.
What do you mean by "more recovery"?
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Post by falcon8r on Jan 23, 2011 17:01:04 GMT -5
I mean, more cool down frames at the end (so it's harder to combo things from it). Maybe 1 or 2 more frames.
Up Tilt is actually ridiculous sometimes. I got a 27 damage combo on Ryu by doing Up Tilt x 3 -> Jab. It was very easy to do. Maybe it just needs more knockback growth?
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Post by El Maiz on Jan 23, 2011 17:20:03 GMT -5
Maybe a little. We want it to still have juggling potential, though.
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Post by Slissith on Jan 23, 2011 17:39:01 GMT -5
Definetely. We don't want to get rid of combos completely.
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Post by phantomhp on Jan 23, 2011 18:31:29 GMT -5
my only problem with up-tilt is the computers never dodge an obvious attack. the flames are admittedly farther reaching than in brawl. I agree on the point of recovering with the reflector.
sorry, I meant up spec
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Post by falcon8r on Jan 23, 2011 21:26:38 GMT -5
my only problem with up-tilt is the computers never dodge an obvious attack. the flames are admittedly farther reaching than in brawl. Uh... Flames? That would be Up B, not Up Tilt. It's the vertical kick thingy we're talking about. The computers often walk into Fire Fox though, but it's sort of an anomaly in the AI with slow attacks like that. |
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Post by PartisanDaw on Jan 24, 2011 7:24:06 GMT -5
Give Fox's FSmash more range.
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Post by Felipe_9595 on Jan 24, 2011 12:57:55 GMT -5
Okay, I played as Fox vs Ryu today a bit, and it seems the CPU is not half bad at fighting this match up. It should be pretty close to even, as Fox can be all over the place, but Ryu's projectile wins and Ryu has better spacing moves. But, I thought of a few things that would make Fox even more balanced in general. - Less damage/stun on Up Tilt - Slightly more range on Foward Smash - Slightly less knockback and more landing lag on Bair - More recovery on Reflector And that's pretty much it. Otherwise, he seems all right. What do you think? HA!!!! WE DISCPVERED YOU SAKURAI!!!!! ONLY SAKURAI WANTS TO RID OUT OF THE COMPETITIVENESS ON A GAME!!!! xDDD Talking serious, falcon, fox is perfectly fine , he need no nerfings, he is good, thats all. And i have a question. Why you fixed Crusade cancel ;;____;; At least remember how you coded it (For a future Competiive Crusade Version xD) |
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Post by El Maiz on Jan 24, 2011 13:34:46 GMT -5
Crusade is competitive.
CC was a glitch. It wasn't coded on purpose.
I think that Fox needs a few tweaks, too.
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Post by Felipe_9595 on Jan 24, 2011 13:42:07 GMT -5
Crusade is competitive.CC was a glitch. It wasn't coded on purpose. I think that Fox needs a few tweaks, too. Obviusly not more because falcon is nerfing characters for being good, lowing the mechanics and cutting off the "glitchs" that boost the competitive scene of the game. Glith makes game better Melee>Brawl |
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Post by El Maiz on Jan 24, 2011 13:45:55 GMT -5
Crusade is competitive.CC was a glitch. It wasn't coded on purpose. I think that Fox needs a few tweaks, too. Obviusly not more because falcon is nerfing characters for being good, The changes are very small, quit complaining lowing the mechanics When did that happen? and cutting off the "glitchs" that boost the competitive scene of the game. You mean glitches that break the game and remove all risk from Rest and the Fire Jump Punch.Glith makes game better In that case, SSF2 is clearly superior due to all the glitches in it.Melee>Brawl Opinion. Not a fact.Replies in bold. Get back on topic, Felipe. |
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Post by Felipe_9595 on Jan 24, 2011 14:12:33 GMT -5
Obviusly not more because falcon is nerfing characters for being good, The changes are very small, quit complaining lowing the mechanics When did that happen? and cutting off the "glitchs" that boost the competitive scene of the game. You mean glitches that break the game and remove all risk from Rest and the Fire Jump Punch.Glith makes game better In that case, SSF2 is clearly superior due to all the glitches in it.Melee>Brawl Opinion. Not a fact.Replies in bold. Get back on topic, Felipe. Not, Melee Competitive Scene is 10times better than brawl, brawl has 0 coptetitve focus, sakurai did it as a Casual games. Sakurai sayd melee was the hardcore one. |
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Post by El Maiz on Jan 24, 2011 14:16:08 GMT -5
Completely off topic lie.
Yeah, just completely change the subject because my arguments are actually right.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I enjoy playing as Fox. He's really good at dealing with longer ranged opponents, with his lasers and reflector. If he doesn't want you to catch him, you won't.
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