SUPER SMASH BROS COLLISION ROSTER

[DGN]

SUPER SMASH BROS COLLISION
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[Dettadeus]

Quick comment: I don't see two Pokemon newcomers. I see one newcomer and 4 veterans.

[PartisanDaw]

Banda Dee is not good for my taste. Replace him whit Princ Fluff.

[jaklub]

First glance
50 is too many. Tails and Simon Belmont aren't very probable, so they're first who should get a boot, sadly. Bandana Dee - WUT? Return of Young Link and Mewtwo is rather unlikely (yes I know I already battled about Mewtwo, tho I still think he got a boot once and isn't very likely to get back, but of course I won't say it's impossible, it can happen. It may also have been wrong of me to mention Mewtwo alongside Young Link, as the second is a shameless clone, and first is an original character).

[DGN]

@det: As I said, Mewtwo may or may not be replaced for Plusle and Minun. Plus, Mewtwo is extremely popular and he wasn't in SSBB because of Roster Space.
@daw: Prince Fluff only appeared once. He's likely not going to make another appearance, and Bandana Dee is probably the most likely choice for another Kirby rep.
jaklub: 45 seemed like they could've easily gotten 5 more in. SEGA was quite popular for being Nintendo's rival, and it didn't seem right to leave Konami with one rep, and Simon was most likely afterwards. Bandana Dee is rather important to the Kirby series since the beginning, even though he's only an enemy. Young Link is in because of OoT 3d and a possibility for MM3D due to the popularity of the former; however, I took him out because Toon Link has a higher chance.

[GoldenYuiitusin]

I like this one, even though it has less characters for my taste.

ANYWAYS, my criticisms.

1. No 2nd Pokemon Newcomer: In Smash, there is always two new Pokemon characters per game. Mewtwo may not have been in Brawl, but he doesn't count as a Newcomer.
2. No Lucario: Again, Lucario is NOT "flavor of the month".
3. Krystal: Same as AEM's.
4. Dixie being in instead of K. Rool: K. Rool is a better choice.
5. Tails and Simon: No two 3rd Parties of the same company. Although both are good choices, it is VERY unlikely that Konami and Sega will get a second character.

[DGN]

Aug 11, 2011 14:17:14 GMT -5 GoldenYuiitusin said:

I like this one, even though it has less characters for my taste.

Sixty seems too much IMO.

1. No 2nd Pokemon Newcomer: In Smash, there is always two new Pokemon characters per game. Mewtwo may not have been in Brawl, but he doesn't count as a Newcomer.

...
*changes Mewtwo for Plusle and Minun*

2. No Lucario: Again, Lucario is NOT "flavor of the month".

Yes, he is popular, but can you explain why he was in, aside from repping fourth gen and being unique? 'Sides, I'm limiting the pokemon at 5 Max, along with Mario and obviously Zelda.

3. Krystal: Same as AEM's.

sahkoorie woood wont a notha seckseh kare
Represents the later side of StarFox. She is very popular, and wields a staff.

4. Dixie being in instead of K. Rool: K. Rool is a better choice.

*changes*

5. Tails and Simon: No two 3rd Parties of the same company. Although both are good choices, it is VERY unlikely that Konami and Sega will get a second character.

Yet third parties have a very high demand.

Also changed Zoroark to Victini.

[jaklub]

Aug 11, 2011 14:22:22 GMT -5 DGN said:

Yet third parties have a very high demand.

They did, they do have, and they always will. Nintendo doesn't care about dozens of kids who dream about 30467345 third parties, because they will get the game anyway (same can be said about most of fans). Nintendo cares about money, to get more money, you need to get your game bought by people who didn't buy it's previous parts. Those people don't care if Shadow or Tails is with Sonic. They care about Sonic.

jesuschristwhatdidijustwrite.

[DGN]

Aug 11, 2011 14:27:02 GMT -5 jaklub said:

jesuschristwhatdidijustwrite.

lol

Changed Tails to Chibi-Robo and Simon to Waluigi

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Krystal has VERY limited popularity and has NOTHING to be different from Fox, Falco, and Wolf.
I know you're going to say staff, but that was ONE game, and FOX used it. As for representing the later side of StarFox, you do realize that the "later" side as you put it was heavily criticized with the exception of Assault.
And it still doesn't change the fact that StarFox doesn't need 4 characters.

As for third parties, yes they are in high demand, but Sakurai doesn't view them the same way we do. As I said in AEM's thread, he said he got backlash for even including Snake and Sonic. So 3rd Parties are going to be limited.
In fact, Snake was going to be the ONLY 3rd Party in Brawl. But because Sonic was the most requested character (not just 3rd Party, but in general, he was the most requested Newcomer for Brawl), he included Sonic. Had say, someone like Bowser Jr., have been the most requested character instead, Sonic would NOT have been in Brawl.

[DGN]

"That was ONE game, and FOX used it."
1. It was Krystal's staff. This implies that she was able to use it.
2. In Dinosaur Planet, she was going to be able to use it.

[GoldenYuiitusin]

1. So what if it was hers? She didn't use it much now did she? That's like saying Slippy should get in with Reflectors while Fox and Falco don't use them because HE designed them.
2. Dinosaur planet doesn't exist, now does it? That's like saying Diddy's Peanut Popgun should have had a realistic gun-like appearance because that's how it initally was in DK64 before they changed it to avoid a T rating.


EDIT: Actually, a better example for 1 would be to add Funky Kong and give him the Coconut Gun that DK uses in DK64 because he's the one who made it. Same with the Peanut Popgun and the other Kongs' weapons.

[DGN]

Oh, but R.O.B. didn't use lazers or jets before, did he?
Sonic didn't use his spikes.
(Adult) Link never used a boomerang prior to SSB64.
Zelda never used Din's Fire, Farore's Wind, or whatever her Nspecial is at all, other than smash.
Ice Climbers never shot ice cubes or blizzards from their hands.
Ness didn't use some of his specials in EarthBound. Nor Lucas with some of his.
Captain Falcon

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Aug 11, 2011 15:01:44 GMT -5 DGN said:

Oh, but R.O.B. didn't use lazers or jets before, did he? Made up moves. Completely different situation.
Sonic didn't use his spikes. Again, made up for use in Smash. And it was ONE attack. Don't get full of yourself.
(Adult) Link never used a boomerang prior to SSB64.Sakurai actually mentioned that he didn't know Adult Link didn't use a Boomerang when he made Link in 64.
Zelda never used Din's Fire, Farore's Wind, or whatever her Nspecial is at all, other than smash. Only logical point I see. But Zelda is in a different league than Krystal. Zelda's actually important to her series.
Ice Climbers never shot ice cubes or blizzards from their hands. Made up moves, again.
Ness didn't use some of his specials in EarthBound. Nor Lucas with some of his. Sakurai actually made up an excuse for this; their friends taught them the moves when it was learned that they were going to be in the game. Don't beleive me? Check their trophies. I kid you not.
Captain Falcon Again, made up moves. Different situation entirely.

Zelda is the only true counterpoint, and even then, doesn't matter, as Zelda is fricking Zelda. Krystal's just some furry space chick that is unimportant to the series and is NOT popular. She's even associated with the downfall of StarFox. AND, Japan hates her (ironically).
I mean, even NINTENDO is rectifying their mistake in Krystal by erasing her from canon StarFox history.
Had Dinosaur Planet actually gone through and not be associated with StarFox, then it'd be fine. But when once they shoehorned the game into StarFox, that's when the series went downhill in the eyes of fans.

But once again, StarFox doesn't need a 4th character ANYWAY. Especially not before Metroid or Donkey Kong.

[StayPuft]

Ice Climber's NSpecial wasn't made up, it was based on the enemies' shoving ice blocks in Ice Climber.

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Aug 11, 2011 15:19:33 GMT -5 StayPuft said:

Ice Climber's NSpecial wasn't made up, it was based on the enemies' shoving ice blocks in Ice Climber.

This.

All the other made up moves, DGN, were also based on other things.

R.O.B.: The R.O.B. Squad in SSE. And being a robot, he was given some robotic things.

Sonic: He has spines. Therefore using them to attack isn't farfetched. Using this as an example is like using Bowser's spikes on his shell as an example, as I don't remember him trying to stab you with them in the Mario series.

Ice Climbers: Moves made up to reference that they climb ice mountains and have ice powers, and hammers, and the Belay was based on a way to get the two up at the same time.

Captain Falcon: Leftover moveset from a character from Dragon King: The Fighting Game because his model fit the characters'. Replace "Dragon" with "Falcon".

[StayPuft]

Belay was actually based on the fact that in the original Ice Climber, in 2 player mode, one ice climber could jump on the head of the other to gain an extra jump, though it usually meant that the other ice climber fell and died. While the other Ice climber in smash bros. doesn't always die, he/she sometimes does after belay is used.

[Dettadeus]

You're all wrong on R.O.B.'s part. Lrn2do research.
The Robo Beam is based off the fact that the R.O.B. unit originally received signals from the television through flashes of light given off by the TV (and recent TVs don't work with R.O.B. because they don't give off the same type of light as was required for R.O.B. to pick up the signal). All Sakurai did was simply reverse the direction of the light beam, so instead of going into the LED sensors in R.O.B.'s "eyes", a laser would come out.
The jets were likely just so R.O.B. would be able to move; originally, all he could do was move his arms around. Since he had the Robo Burner to walk and run, it made sense he could burn jet fuel for other purposes as well, such as recovery and offense.
Gyro is obvious. It just shrunk the Gyro Spinner and had it pop out of R.O.B.'s base.

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Aug 11, 2011 16:14:17 GMT -5 Dettadeus said:

You're all wrong on R.O.B.'s part. Lrn2do research.
The Robo Beam is based off the fact that the R.O.B. unit originally received signals from the television through flashes of light given off by the TV (and recent TVs don't work with R.O.B. because they don't give off the same type of light as was required for R.O.B. to pick up the signal). All Sakurai did was simply reverse the direction of the light beam, so instead of going into the LED sensors in R.O.B.'s "eyes", a laser would come out.
The jets were likely just so R.O.B. would be able to move; originally, all he could do was move his arms around. Since he had the Robo Burner to walk and run, it made sense he could burn jet fuel for other purposes as well, such as recovery and offense.
Gyro is obvious. It just shrunk the Gyro Spinner and had it pop out of R.O.B.'s base.

The R.O.B. Squad was added first, so they got lasers and jet boosters based on what you said. While R.O.B.'s moves were based on what was already made (R.O.B. Squad).

So I'm right AND wrong at the same time.

EDIT: I also did not say that the Gyro was a made up move. I left it out of my description BECAUSE it wasn't made up.

[Dettadeus]

I added the Gyro for clarification, as well as to disprove your saying that R.O.B.'s moveset was taken from the R.O.B. Squad. None of them have a Gyro as an attack.