Yet ANOTHER new SSB4 Roster

[DGN]

Tingle for Zelda character.
If you don't have all of the etc. Trio (Saki/Isa, Isaac, Lil' Mac) add one of them. And yes, Little Mac CAN be in the game. If necessary, I'll make a moveset.
If not. Uh. Some Japan Only game, I think. If Shulk or Ende has popularity. Use one of them.

[SmashKing201]

Well here are my reasons for removing the following 2 characters and why I am considering the other replacements.

Replacing Toon Zelda:
The reasons I plan to remove her. On a personal level, I am not a fan of alternate characters taking up a slot on the roster no matter how low the representation of that respected series is. I understand that the Toon characters are from a different timeline, therefore they are actually different people. But to me it is still Zelda. Sure Tetra will make her different, but its Toon Zelda I have a problem with. Even if they made the move sets different, to me it is just the same Zelda character, but in a different time and form.

On a non personal level. I think adding her is only lowering the varieties seeing how we already have Zelda. And it could possibly support the idea of other characters having alternate characters with their own separate roster slots in future smash games.

Replacing Anthony Higgs:
Like Golden said on his final roster thread, Metroid Other M was not as well liked as previous Metroid games. But it is not just that, the fact that this criticized Metroid game was Anthony Higgs debut, which only makes him currently relevant, but not recurring. Sure they added in a backstory to how he knows Samus, but fans still dont see him as a reliable rep since it is his first game and we are not promised if we will ever see him in another one. To me, recurrence beats relevance just a slit bit.

Toon Zelda's Replacement: Either Tingle, Midna, Vaati.

Tingle:
To answer the question on what he will represent, If chosen, I would plan to have him represent the Zelda spin-off similar to how Toon Link represents the Wind Waker series. Under the same column and/or row as the main Zelda characters.

He is well liked in Japan, which is the main Nintendo fanbase if Im correct. Also, in Europe, one half of Nintendo's 3rd biggest fanbase. And he is the first Zelda character to have his own spin off series without Link & other main Zelda characters taking up the spotlight. And appeared in Brawl as an assist trophy as well as part of the Green Bay stage in Melee.

The problem with Tingle though is that he is really disliked by Americans, which is Nintendo's 2nd biggest fanbase. Though I can't ignore that he is gaining a small fanbase here in the states, but even that is growing very slowly. And even though he is liked in Europe, that is only half of the PAL region, with the other half being Australia. We (or just myself) don't really know how Australia thinks of Tingle. His criticism in the state and possibly other continents hurt his chances.

Midna:
On a personal level, I would pick her over any of the 3 and Toon characters. But I try to distance my favoritism away from my roster as possible. She is my favorite character in the series after the main 3. On another note, this is to have Midna playable with the human form/Imp form transformation, not the Wolf Link/Midna duo.

What helps Midna with her chances is that other than the main 3 Zelda characters, she is not only one of the most popular Zelda rep choices for Smash Bros 4, but she is arguably the most popular Zelda character if you exclude Link, Zelda, & Ganondorf. She adds another female to the roster, another magic user, and Midna in her Imp form would be a very unique character. She is so popular that there is a website dedicated to her with request to bring her back to the series. She was even voted Best New Nintendo Character of the year at one point. Her popularity is her biggest support.

The problem though with this choice is that Twilight Princess was her only appearance for the series. And recurrence is one of the many important elements to include a character to be playable, especially when you find a rep for a series as big as Zelda. Plus, Skyward Swords shows no indication of her return. One reason being that this game (storyline wise) takes place before OoT.

Vaati:
I like Vaati, much more than Toon Zelda.

Vaati is the 2nd most recurring villain in the Zelda series, and has been a main villain/final boss in the spin offs. He is a spell caster which is what Smash Bros lacks of. And has his fair amount of fanbase as well.

The issue with Vaati is that Toon Zelda is in his way. What I am saying is this. You have the main hero (T.Link), the secondary sidekick protagonist (T.Zelda), and then the villain (Vaati). What I am trying to point out is that I think having Vaati and no Toon Link &/or Toon Zelda makes no sense. Unless Vaati gets into the main Zelda title one day then he will have no problem being playable in Smash Bros.

Replacement for Anthony Higgs: a misc. character

For his replacement my first candidate was Shulk from Xenoblade.

The reason I chose Shulk is because he is the main protagonist of Xenoblade. His game was developed by Monolith Soft and the series itself is this small company's biggest franchise. Monolith Soft is now 1st party to Nintendo and one of their most recent ones to join. Plus Monolith Soft helped Sakurai on the development of Brawl with the artwork. With Xenoblade being one of Nintendo's newest franchises, Nintendo's newest 1st party's (Monolith Soft) top franchise, & the company that helped develop Smash Bros Brawl, I think that Nintendo may want to credit Monolith Soft and rep their new 1st party with their most popular hero playable in Smash Bros. Plus Xenoblade is the most requested game to be released in America as we speak.

The problem I am having with this choice is that since Nintendo has announced that neither Xenoblade, Last Story, & Pandora's Tower are not planned to be released to America, that this just possibly ruins Shulk's chance of being playable.

Now I am thinking of other misc. characters to chose from if I dont go with Shulk from Xenoblade. But I already have these characters on my roster: Andy from Advance Wars, Saki from Sin & Punishment, Isaac from Golden Sun, Little Mac from Punch Out, Starfy from Legend of Starfy, & Tom Nook from Animal Crossing. And I really dont feel like adding a 2nd rep of either series for the purpose to be a spot filler.

I know I can go with either Ray MK or Chibi Robo, but even with these 2 series at their best, they still dont compare with sales and popularity like the ones I listed on the previous paragraph. Dont get me wrong, I would like to see these 2 playable personally, but I would like to see what other options are left. Any suggestions?

And I like Ende from Pandora's Tower, but the problem is that he is a 3rd party character. The game was developed by Ganbarion. This is the same 3rd party company that developed Ultimate Jump Superstars. On top of that, this is Ganbarion's first game they made that is not based on anime/magna series from TV & comics. This company is not as big of a 3rd party as many others we know of.

[DGN]

Since there appears to be discussion about SK redoing my roster, I suppose I could post my redone roster...
1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Bowser
5. Toad
6. Link
7. Zelda/Shiek
8. Ganondorf
9. Toon Link
10. Tingle
11. Kirby
12. Meta Knight
13. King Dedede
14. Bandana Dee
15. Pikachu
16. Jigglypuff
17. Pokemon Trainer
18. Mewtwo
19. Zoroark
20. Yoshi
21. Donkey Kong
22. Diddy Kong
23. Dixie Kong
24. Wario
25. Captain Falcon
26. Samurai Goroh
27. Ness
28. Lucas
29. Ninten
30. Ice Climbers
31. Mr. Game & Watch
32. Marth
33. Medeus
34. Pit
35. Medusa
36. R.O.B.
37. Olimar
38. Fox
39. Falco
40. Wolf
41. Krystal
42. Isa Amamiya
43. Matthew
44. Little Mac
45. Samus/Zero Suit Samus
46. Ridley
47. Snake
48. Sonic
49. Megaman
50. Travis Touchdown

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Jul 5, 2011 0:32:45 GMT -5 SmashKing201 said:

Well here are my reasons for removing the following 2 characters and why I am considering the other replacements.

Replacing Toon Zelda:
The reasons I plan to remove her. On a personal level, I am not a fan of alternate characters taking up a slot on the roster no matter how low the representation of that respected series is. I understand that the Toon characters are from a different timeline, therefore they are actually different people. But to me it is still Zelda. Sure Tetra will make her different, but its Toon Zelda I have a problem with. Even if they made the move sets different, to me it is just the same Zelda character, but in a different time and form.

On a non personal level. I think adding her is only lowering the varieties seeing how we already have Zelda. And it could possibly support the idea of other characters having alternate characters with their own separate roster slots in future smash games.

Replacing Anthony Higgs:
Like Golden said on his final roster thread, Metroid Other M was not as well liked as previous Metroid games. But it is not just that, the fact that this criticized Metroid game was Anthony Higgs debut, which only makes him currently relevant, but not recurring. Sure they added in a backstory to how he knows Samus, but fans still dont see him as a reliable rep since it is his first game and we are not promised if we will ever see him in another one. To me, recurrence beats relevance just a slit bit.

Toon Zelda's Replacement: Either Tingle, Midna, Vaati.

Tingle:
To answer the question on what he will represent, If chosen, I would plan to have him represent the Zelda spin-off similar to how Toon Link represents the Wind Waker series. Under the same column and/or row as the main Zelda characters. The "Wind Waker" series is still part of the main Zelda games, not a spin-off. A spin-off would be Link's Crossbow Training, the CD-i games, or Tingle's Freshly Picked Rosy Rupeeland. So you can still have Tingle nearby the Zelda characters, but will you make him a Zelda character with the Triforce symbol, or a Tingle character with say, a Rupee symbol?

He is well liked in Japan, which is the main Nintendo fanbase if Im correct. Also, in Europe, one half of Nintendo's 3rd biggest fanbase. And he is the first Zelda character to have his own spin off series without Link & other main Zelda characters taking up the spotlight. And appeared in Brawl as an assist trophy as well as part of the Green Bay stage in Melee.

The problem with Tingle though is that he is really disliked by Americans, which is Nintendo's 2nd biggest fanbase. Though I can't ignore that he is gaining a small fanbase here in the states, but even that is growing very slowly. And even though he is liked in Europe, that is only half of the PAL region, with the other half being Australia. We (or just myself) don't really know how Australia thinks of Tingle. His criticism in the state and possibly other continents hurt his chances.

Midna:
On a personal level, I would pick her over any of the 3 and Toon characters. But I try to distance my favoritism away from my roster as possible. She is my favorite character in the series after the main 3. On another note, this is to have Midna playable with the human form/Imp form transformation, not the Wolf Link/Midna duo. True Midna won't be playable unless they redesign her. If you thought looking up Peach's and Zelda's dresses in Melee were bad, people will be trying all they can to see past Midna's loincloth.

What helps Midna with her chances is that other than the main 3 Zelda characters, she is not only one of the most popular Zelda rep choices for Smash Bros 4, but she is arguably the most popular Zelda character if you exclude Link, Zelda, & Ganondorf. She adds another female to the roster, another magic user, and Midna in her Imp form would be a very unique character. She is so popular that there is a website dedicated to her with request to bring her back to the series. She was even voted Best New Nintendo Character of the year at one point. Her popularity is her biggest support.

The problem though with this choice is that Twilight Princess was her only appearance for the series. And recurrence is one of the many important elements to include a character to be playable, especially when you find a rep for a series as big as Zelda. Plus, Skyward Swords shows no indication of her return. One reason being that this game (storyline wise) takes place before OoT.

Vaati:
I like Vaati, much more than Toon Zelda.

Vaati is the 2nd most recurring villain in the Zelda series, and has been a main villain/final boss in the spin offs. He is a spell caster which is what Smash Bros lacks of. And has his fair amount of fanbase as well.

The issue with Vaati is that Toon Zelda is in his way. What I am saying is this. You have the main hero (T.Link), the secondary sidekick protagonist (T.Zelda), and then the villain (Vaati). What I am trying to point out is that I think having Vaati and no Toon Link &/or Toon Zelda makes no sense. Unless Vaati gets into the main Zelda title one day then he will have no problem being playable in Smash Bros. Another issue for Vaati is that he comes from the worst selling and recieved Zelda titles. (not counting the CD-i games.)

Replacement for Anthony Higgs: a misc. character

For his replacement my first candidate was Shulk from Xenoblade.

The reason I chose Shulk is because he is the main protagonist of Xenoblade. His game was developed by Monolith Soft and the series itself is this small company's biggest franchise. Monolith Soft is now 1st party to Nintendo and one of their most recent ones to join. Plus Monolith Soft helped Sakurai on the development of Brawl with the artwork. With Xenoblade being one of Nintendo's newest franchises, Nintendo's newest 1st party's (Monolith Soft) top franchise, & the company that helped develop Smash Bros Brawl, I think that Nintendo may want to credit Monolith Soft and rep their new 1st party with their most popular hero playable in Smash Bros. Plus Xenoblade is the most requested game to be released in America as we speak.

The problem I am having with this choice is that since Nintendo has announced that neither Xenoblade, Last Story, & Pandora's Tower are not planned to be released to America, that this just possibly ruins Shulk's chance of being playable.

Now I am thinking of other misc. characters to chose from if I dont go with Shulk from Xenoblade. But I already have these characters on my roster: Andy from Advance Wars, Saki from Sin & Punishment, Isaac from Golden Sun, Little Mac from Punch Out, Starfy from Legend of Starfy, & Tom Nook from Animal Crossing. And I really dont feel like adding a 2nd rep of either series for the purpose to be a spot filler. You still have Takamaru left. And if you're really going for a character that would be interesting, how about Mike Jones?

I know I can go with either Ray MK or Chibi Robo, but even with these 2 series at their best, they still dont compare with sales and popularity like the ones I listed on the previous paragraph. Dont get me wrong, I would like to see these 2 playable personally, but I would like to see what other options are left. Any suggestions?

And I like Ende from Pandora's Tower, but the problem is that he is a 3rd party character. The game was developed by Ganbarion. This is the same 3rd party company that developed Ultimate Jump Superstars. On top of that, this is Ganbarion's first game they made that is not based on anime/magna series from TV & comics. This company is not as big of a 3rd party as many others we know of.

Responses in Yellow.

[SmashKing201]

Jul 5, 2011 9:15:18 GMT -5 GoldenYuiitusin said:

Jul 5, 2011 0:32:45 GMT -5 SmashKing201 said:

Well here are my reasons for removing the following 2 characters and why I am considering the other replacements.

Replacing Toon Zelda:
The reasons I plan to remove her. On a personal level, I am not a fan of alternate characters taking up a slot on the roster no matter how low the representation of that respected series is. I understand that the Toon characters are from a different timeline, therefore they are actually different people. But to me it is still Zelda. Sure Tetra will make her different, but its Toon Zelda I have a problem with. Even if they made the move sets different, to me it is just the same Zelda character, but in a different time and form.

On a non personal level. I think adding her is only lowering the varieties seeing how we already have Zelda. And it could possibly support the idea of other characters having alternate characters with their own separate roster slots in future smash games.

Replacing Anthony Higgs:
Like Golden said on his final roster thread, Metroid Other M was not as well liked as previous Metroid games. But it is not just that, the fact that this criticized Metroid game was Anthony Higgs debut, which only makes him currently relevant, but not recurring. Sure they added in a backstory to how he knows Samus, but fans still dont see him as a reliable rep since it is his first game and we are not promised if we will ever see him in another one. To me, recurrence beats relevance just a slit bit.

Toon Zelda's Replacement: Either Tingle, Midna, Vaati.

Tingle:
To answer the question on what he will represent, If chosen, I would plan to have him represent the Zelda spin-off similar to how Toon Link represents the Wind Waker series. Under the same column and/or row as the main Zelda characters. The "Wind Waker" series is still part of the main Zelda games, not a spin-off. A spin-off would be Link's Crossbow Training, the CD-i games, or Tingle's Freshly Picked Rosy Rupeeland. So you can still have Tingle nearby the Zelda characters, but will you make him a Zelda character with the Triforce symbol, or a Tingle character with say, a Rupee symbol?

He is well liked in Japan, which is the main Nintendo fanbase if Im correct. Also, in Europe, one half of Nintendo's 3rd biggest fanbase. And he is the first Zelda character to have his own spin off series without Link & other main Zelda characters taking up the spotlight. And appeared in Brawl as an assist trophy as well as part of the Green Bay stage in Melee.

The problem with Tingle though is that he is really disliked by Americans, which is Nintendo's 2nd biggest fanbase. Though I can't ignore that he is gaining a small fanbase here in the states, but even that is growing very slowly. And even though he is liked in Europe, that is only half of the PAL region, with the other half being Australia. We (or just myself) don't really know how Australia thinks of Tingle. His criticism in the state and possibly other continents hurt his chances.

Midna:
On a personal level, I would pick her over any of the 3 and Toon characters. But I try to distance my favoritism away from my roster as possible. She is my favorite character in the series after the main 3. On another note, this is to have Midna playable with the human form/Imp form transformation, not the Wolf Link/Midna duo. True Midna won't be playable unless they redesign her. If you thought looking up Peach's and Zelda's dresses in Melee were bad, people will be trying all they can to see past Midna's loincloth.

What helps Midna with her chances is that other than the main 3 Zelda characters, she is not only one of the most popular Zelda rep choices for Smash Bros 4, but she is arguably the most popular Zelda character if you exclude Link, Zelda, & Ganondorf. She adds another female to the roster, another magic user, and Midna in her Imp form would be a very unique character. She is so popular that there is a website dedicated to her with request to bring her back to the series. She was even voted Best New Nintendo Character of the year at one point. Her popularity is her biggest support.

The problem though with this choice is that Twilight Princess was her only appearance for the series. And recurrence is one of the many important elements to include a character to be playable, especially when you find a rep for a series as big as Zelda. Plus, Skyward Swords shows no indication of her return. One reason being that this game (storyline wise) takes place before OoT.

Vaati:
I like Vaati, much more than Toon Zelda.

Vaati is the 2nd most recurring villain in the Zelda series, and has been a main villain/final boss in the spin offs. He is a spell caster which is what Smash Bros lacks of. And has his fair amount of fanbase as well.

The issue with Vaati is that Toon Zelda is in his way. What I am saying is this. You have the main hero (T.Link), the secondary sidekick protagonist (T.Zelda), and then the villain (Vaati). What I am trying to point out is that I think having Vaati and no Toon Link &/or Toon Zelda makes no sense. Unless Vaati gets into the main Zelda title one day then he will have no problem being playable in Smash Bros. Another issue for Vaati is that he comes from the worst selling and recieved Zelda titles. (not counting the CD-i games.)

Replacement for Anthony Higgs: a misc. character

For his replacement my first candidate was Shulk from Xenoblade.

The reason I chose Shulk is because he is the main protagonist of Xenoblade. His game was developed by Monolith Soft and the series itself is this small company's biggest franchise. Monolith Soft is now 1st party to Nintendo and one of their most recent ones to join. Plus Monolith Soft helped Sakurai on the development of Brawl with the artwork. With Xenoblade being one of Nintendo's newest franchises, Nintendo's newest 1st party's (Monolith Soft) top franchise, & the company that helped develop Smash Bros Brawl, I think that Nintendo may want to credit Monolith Soft and rep their new 1st party with their most popular hero playable in Smash Bros. Plus Xenoblade is the most requested game to be released in America as we speak.

The problem I am having with this choice is that since Nintendo has announced that neither Xenoblade, Last Story, & Pandora's Tower are not planned to be released to America, that this just possibly ruins Shulk's chance of being playable.

Now I am thinking of other misc. characters to chose from if I dont go with Shulk from Xenoblade. But I already have these characters on my roster: Andy from Advance Wars, Saki from Sin & Punishment, Isaac from Golden Sun, Little Mac from Punch Out, Starfy from Legend of Starfy, & Tom Nook from Animal Crossing. And I really dont feel like adding a 2nd rep of either series for the purpose to be a spot filler. You still have Takamaru left. And if you're really going for a character that would be interesting, how about Mike Jones?

I know I can go with either Ray MK or Chibi Robo, but even with these 2 series at their best, they still dont compare with sales and popularity like the ones I listed on the previous paragraph. Dont get me wrong, I would like to see these 2 playable personally, but I would like to see what other options are left. Any suggestions?

And I like Ende from Pandora's Tower, but the problem is that he is a 3rd party character. The game was developed by Ganbarion. This is the same 3rd party company that developed Ultimate Jump Superstars. On top of that, this is Ganbarion's first game they made that is not based on anime/magna series from TV & comics. This company is not as big of a 3rd party as many others we know of.

Responses in Yellow.

Well as for what Tingle will represent, since his spin-off has been successful outside the states and since there is less reference of the Zelda series, I think the Rupee would be his emblem/symbol.

By the way, I just got an idea for Tingle. If playable, whenever he gets hit small rupees of different colors fly out of his body. You cant collect them and they dont do damage to enemies. This is just a special effect that indicates that he has been hit. And in his games his health lowers for everytime he loses rupees if im correct. What you think?


Right....I forgot about Midna's dress issue. But we cant hold her inclusion to be playable due to that, not saying anyone suggesting that. But yea, that "area" of Midna can be covered with a solid coloring. Maybe black so that it blends in with the dress she wears.


Really didnt know Vaati was in the CD-I games. Interesting. Sure his games where criticized, but not the character Vaati. Think about this, though Vaati came from a criticized game, he still has a bigger fanbase than Tingle who debuted on a popular main Zelda title that was well recieved.

Also, I think what helps Vaati shine in this situation is that he has been playing the role of the main or leading villain in a few Zelda games, and at the time everyone speculated that Ganondorf was going to be the main villain before Vaati appeared. Thus, giving the Zelda series a new antagonist, and a recurring one to that Zelda fans havent forgotten about since.


Well, if I were to throw in Takamaru or Mike Jones, wouldnt they just end up representing the retro category of Smash Bros? I would add one of them, especially Takamaru (though he never was a personal favorite for me), but the issue is that they would represent the retro series and I already have Balloon Fighter & Duck Hunt Dog covering those spots on the roster already.

Sure I can add one or 2 more retro character even though I already have 2 new retro newcomers, but I just figured to stick with 2 since the last 2 Smash Bros game always had given us 2 new retro reps.

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Ah, if you're looking for a non-retro obscure character, how about a human or dino from Fossil Fighter?
How about T-Rex, the "Pikachu" of the series? He's about Bowser's size, if not a little bigger. (The dinos are "chibi" styled.)


I wanted to use him myself, but I think Fossil Fighters is too obscure....


EDIT: I said NOT counting the CD-i games. Someone didn't read...
Vaati is also irrelevant as of now. If they were to choose a new Zelda villain, it'd be Ghirahim. For a new popular Zelda character, Midna. Both outshine Vaati, and one's game isn't even out yet.

As for Midna, the imp form defines her more, and the True form could be used as a Final Smash.
UNLESS, they decide to use a new design for Midna like they did with Sheik in Brawl. One that is less revealing.

And I like that Tingle idea.

EDIT: Never mind, I'm actually going to use T-Rex now.

[Chaotic Chao]

I'm probably the only one on earth who thinks that character is cute (and cool too), of all things.
Erm, ...what exactly is Fossil Fighters (Obscure indeed)?

In Midna's case, I'm not exactly sure. There are a lot of Zelda characters already, but not nearly as unique as her. As for Ghirahim, I don't think it can exactly be determined as of yet, considering him being from an unreleased game right now...It is kind of ironic how similar he looks to Vatti though. I swear, a non-cel-shaded Vatti would look just like him...

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Fossil Fighters is pretty much like Pokemon, only with the use of prehistoric creatures.

And the second game just introduced something like evolution called Super Revive.
Here, you can see T-Rex becoming Super T-Rex, which would make for a great Final Smash.

Not so cute NOW, is he?

[SmashKing201]

Not sure if Ghirahim would be a reliable option since he is new to the series and we can't be promised yet if he will be in any future titles afterwards, therefore he may fall into the category of being a one-time character of the LoZ series like Midna and a few others.

Though the Imp for of Midna is the one fans remember most, the human form is pretty well popular itself to the core fans of Zelda with all the artworks and designs fans make online itself. I can possibly picture a redesign like they did with Sheik in Brawl if she was playable.

Well as for Vaati, I dont see him as being irrelevant since he has appeared in 3/12 of Zelda games in the past decade. But then I could be wrong since he hasnt appeared in a Zelda game in the past 4 years now. Yet again there has only been 3-4 Zelda games in the past 4 years so far.

Not sure about Fossil Fighter reps though. Seems too obscure and random. Being that it is on its second game already, I am surprised that the series has not established itself that much to stand out compare to many Nintendo games. Also, this series was a collaboration with a small independent 3rd party company called Red Entertainment. So wouldnt this series be 3rd party?

[GoldenYuiitusin]

It's still a Nintendo property, as it's been both published and developed by Nintendo.

And hey, you wanted a non-retro obscure rep.

[SmashKing201]

yes, i was looking for a non-retro, but not obscure like that. lol.

But yea, another thing that came to mind as well is having a 2nd Kid Icarus rep instead. But then it hit me. Why should Kid Icarus have a 2nd rep, yet Punch Out was remade first and is not planned for a 2nd rep.

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Because:
1. Kid Icarus was already represented in Brawl, whereas Punch-Out only had an Assist.
2. Sakurai is developing Kid Icarus: Uprising.
3. Little Mac may or may not make it in anyway.
4. With Little Mac, you don't NEED anyone else from Punch-Out, because Mac would have to borrow moves from other boxers in order to have a decent moveset.
5. Newcoming series should only get one character to start. Fire Emblem is the only exception to this rule, and it should stay that way.

And Fossil Fighters isn't that obscure, if it's getting a sequel released this year.
It's just overlooked.

[SmashKing201]

I agree with everything about Little Mac except for the 4th one. I think he has something of his own to work with. But that is just another topic to discuss another, though we already talked about that already.

I dont want to overlook and underestimate the Fossil Fighter series as it looks pretty cool, but I think they need to do something with that series for more exposure. I think its the lack of promotion and support that makes them overlooked.

Well, after this discussion. I think I am getting an idea on who will replace Anthony Higgs.
Either

Shulk: depending how Operation Rainfall works out.

Ray MK or Chibi Robo: if Shulk dont work out.

2nd Kid Icarus rep: Pelutena or Medusa

3rd retro rep: Takamaru, Sukapon, or Lip.

Still not sure about the new Zelda rep but Vaati is beginning to sink away while Tingle or Midna are starting to be my next options.

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Operation Rainfall?

Between Ray and Chibi-Robo, go with Chibi. Having a defined robot with defined weapons for a Custom Robo character takes away at what Custom Robo is about.
Medusa>Palutena. Medusa actually fights and is a villain. And is one of Nintendo's first 2 female villains.
Takamaru. Sakurai has already said no to both Lip and Sukapon.
Tingle. But give him his own series icon.

[SmashKing201]

You havent heard of Operation Rainfall yet. Its the fan petition to have Xenoblade, Pandora's Tower, & Last Story to localize in the states. Nintendo of America already said they dont plan to release them to the states, but Operation Rainfall wont give up just yet


Yea I was leaning towards Chibi myself. So I pick him over Ray

I know I heard of Sakurai saying not to expect Sukapon, but didnt hear nothing of Lip. For a developer who wont make her playable, it surprises me how he gives her so much reference in Smash.

Between Sukapon & Takamaru, I like Sukapon better, but then I see that Takamaru has made more appearances and is in favor of Sakurai, I think he would be a better option than Sukapon.


As for between Medusa/Pelutena and Tingle/Midna, I will have to think this out some more.

[GoldenYuiitusin]

The references are BECAUSE she won't be playable. (Similar to how Metroid got more stages and bosses to compensate for the lack of a true 2nd character)

If I understand correctly, the main reason is due to her skirt (yeah, stupid reason), but she COULD get a redesign.
But there is still the issue that Panel de Pon pretty much dropped her (I believe the latest one did not have the fairies), and the fact that if she is added, the Lip's Stick item will have to be removed.
AND, she still has competition in the form of Takamaru, who has Sakurai's blessing.

[Chaotic Chao]

I've been wondering for a while why you don't suggest a lot of these characters for Crusade.
Unless you already have?

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Pretty much our suggestions are useless.
The two devs "in charge" of characters (Phantom and DMX) don't care for ideas from fans.
They consider them "too biased".

[DGN]

They consider Falcon biased as well, due to him being the oldest brother.
They also don't listen to logic.
"Well, then let's talk about the 3rd generation.
Aggron certainly isn't the most popular pokemon of 3rd generation, as I have mentioned, and as Golden once said, he'd be so heavy his jump would be lower than Bowser.

StayPuft's idea of May being in is also a good idea; Mudkip, Grovyle, and Blaziken are great fan favorites, and are very unique.

Also, why do you think Deoxys would get a 4.5 in moveset potential?
Being able to transform into different forms depending on attributes could bring a lot of different types of moves, and having arms that can change between tentacles and human arms certainly can have an impact, plus, being a Psychic type he could learn Psychic and ghost moves, and also do a number of moves that different pokemon have. "

"And? He could have other advantages."

He NEVER answered the questions from this part. Nevar.
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[Chaotic Chao]

Jul 6, 2011 16:23:58 GMT -5 GoldenYuiitusin said:

Pretty much our suggestions are useless.
The two devs "in charge" of characters (Phantom and DMX) don't care for ideas from fans.
They consider them "too biased".

Then what's the suggestions thread for!?