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Post by DGN on Mar 20, 2011 8:46:31 GMT -5
Samurai Goroh was on the original roster. No one complained about him, and I think a lot of people would've wanted to play as him, even if they've never played F-Zero(Like me).
Black Shadow is the main villain of F-Zero, of which we need more, and is practically the Batman of F-Zero.
Representation for Samurai: 3: Another F-Zero rep, of which we have no others yet. He'd have his signature playstyle of rapidly slashing where ever he went, though.
Representation for Shadow: 3: Another F-Zero rep, of which we have no others yet. He's a villain, though, which smash needs more of.
Popularity for Samurai: 4: He's one of the more well known characters of F-Zero, his face with all those wrinkles, and even made it as a trophy in Melee and Brawl, and as an Assist Trophy in Brawl.
Popularity for Shadow: 3.: He's a villian, and appears like Batman, and is well-known in F-Zero. He appears in the popular meme for Falcon Punch, which gives him the extra .5 to equal 3.
Uniqueness for Samurai: 3.5: He wields a sword, but I don't think anyone else just slashes it around like a crazed man, obliterating anything in his way.
Uniqueness for Shadow: 2.5: Like mentioned above, he's Batman, but has horns...
Moveset Potential for Samurai: 5: Like mentioned above, he slashes about randomly. The arrangement of slashes could be very different, and I believe he's a bounty hunter; plus, in F-Zero, people are known to have guns, so imagine the crazy arrangements of shooting he could do.
Moveset Potential for Shadow: 1.5: Well, he has muscles, so that gives him some good melee attacks...Horns for ramming...guns...but besides that, he has never fought on foot, and almost his entire moveset would have to be made up.
Overall for Samurai: 15.5
Overall for Shadow: 10
What would you think?
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Post by -Dr.MarioX- on Mar 20, 2011 10:04:14 GMT -5
Here's my scores.
Goroh:
Rep: 4.5
He's another F-Zero character and we need that. Not to mention he's been in every F-Zero game (I don't count Maximum Velocity) and is one of the main characters.
Pop: 4.5
Goroh's pretty popular. His Fire Stingray and his ninja appearance have become an F-Zero icon.
Moveset: 3
He has nothing in the game besides a sword that allows for moveset potential. Sure, the sword could cover A-moves, but what would his special moves be? He was never given any signature moves.
Uniqueness: 4
He's a samurai with a sword. Sometimes I feel like we have enough sword characters.
16/20 = 80/100
Black Shadow:
Rep: 5
He's from F-Zero too, but he is the main villain. He really makes the series.
Pop: 4.5
If you know Goroh, you know Black Shadow.
Moveset: 4
Black Shadow actually has things to work with, unlike Goroh. He has a "Bull" characteristic, which can cover his special moves.
Uniqueness: 4.5
He's a villain with an awesome bull outfit. We don't have many villains anyways.
18/20 = 90/100
I say Black Shadow.
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Post by El Maiz on Mar 20, 2011 10:40:35 GMT -5
Captain Falcon was never given any signature moves in F-Zero either.
I know Gorath, but not Black Shadow.
Gorath has things to work with
Hence, I vote Gorath
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on Mar 20, 2011 11:56:05 GMT -5
1. Black Shadow uses dark magic, similar to Ganondorf. He also has the ability to create portals, teleport, transform into various things, immense strength, manipulate matter, ressurect the dead, etc. and it's all from the anime. Don't say the anime can't be used as a resource, as Falcon's Final Smash in Crusade is from it. He also can be given a "Bull Charge" move to suit his bovine-esque appearance.
2. Whereas Captain Falcon has a superhero vibe, Black Shadow gives off a supervillain vibe. Therefore, BS (lol) should come before Goroh.
3. If at the very least, Ganon's old moveset could be easily given to BS, while Ganon gets a new, more Ganon-esque moveset. WITH A SWORD.
4. While it's easy to make up a moveset for someone who looks like a superhero and one that looks like a supervillain, it'd be hard to make an effective one for a portly swordsman. (and the less new swordsman, the better IMO.)
So with that, my vote goes to Black Shadow.
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Post by El Maiz on Mar 20, 2011 13:46:51 GMT -5
Captain Falcon's FS isn't from the Anime.
Where's the blue lightning?
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Post by -Dr.MarioX- on Mar 20, 2011 14:25:07 GMT -5
 Erm...I agree with Golden. |
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on Mar 20, 2011 18:46:11 GMT -5
Captain Falcon's FS isn't from the Anime. Where's the blue lightning? ...yes it is. The Final Smash was based off of this: It's not exact, but it is from the anime. |
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Post by El Maiz on Mar 20, 2011 19:05:28 GMT -5
Because he jumps out aof the Blue Falcon and does a blue punch?
That's the only similarity.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on Mar 20, 2011 21:05:14 GMT -5
It's not exact, but it is from the anime. They even SAID they based it from that scene. Seriously man, why do you keep arguing about things you're wrong about? |
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Post by El Maiz on Mar 20, 2011 21:06:02 GMT -5
Because I don't believe that I'm wrong.
They didn't base it off the Anime scene very well, at least.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on Mar 20, 2011 21:11:53 GMT -5
Oh what, you want them to include the explosion too?
I hate to break it to you, but the explosion was NOT Falcon's doing. It was going to happen anyway, and the Falcon Punch was to prevent Black Shadow from LEAVING it. It was a sacrifice Falcon was willing to make to stop Shadow once and for all.
So yeah, they copied it perfectly.
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Post by -Dr.MarioX- on Mar 21, 2011 5:56:34 GMT -5
Yupp! We even thought about getting the voice and the song to play during it.
Aside from all that, it would be cool to spill that FS all over Black Shadow in the game.
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Post by El Maiz on Mar 21, 2011 6:57:59 GMT -5
Okay. I'll believe that something is based on something else very different visually if you bully be into it.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on Mar 21, 2011 7:39:59 GMT -5
We didn't bully you.
Besides, Doc just flat out CONFIRMED that it's from that clip. Just because you don't percieve it that way, doesn't mean it isn't. In fact, you're the only one who said it's nothing like it. That's saying something.
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Post by El Maiz on Mar 21, 2011 7:48:59 GMT -5
Okay then.
It'd from the clip.
I really don't care.
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Post by DGN on Mar 21, 2011 10:18:50 GMT -5
Umm....
We're getting kind of off-topic...
Anybody think we should have both characters in?
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Post by El Maiz on Mar 21, 2011 15:42:35 GMT -5
It isn't like F-Zero is unpopular.
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Post by SmashKing201 on Mar 21, 2011 17:24:50 GMT -5
I have a few things to say about Goroh & Black Shadow. I honestly think that Goroh is the best choice of an FZero representative than any other character from the series.
Sure, Black Shadow was the main villain of the series and played his role in the anime series. But that's all he really was, the main villain. Goroh in the other hand is C.Falcon's main rival since the very beginning and those 2 have history and a storied rivalry since the beginning. Black Shadow only had the title as the main villain, but it was Goroh in my opinion who made the series if your looking it at a antagonist point of view and a unique character in his own way.
If picking Black Shadow over Samurai Goroh just because of the main villain title is a good reason to include a character, then you might as well pick Mother Brain over Ridley if thats the case. Not a popular choice if you ask me.
Not to mention that Goroh not only had an impact in the series, but has appeared in more games than Black Shadow and plays an important role for C.Falcon as his personal arch-nemesis, which to me seems more important than a final boss. I think that a antagonist who has a history with the protagonist thoughout the entire series is far more important than the final boss itself.
Plus, Goroh has far more than just a katana to assist him. He is very agile for his size and known to be acrobatic like a ninja. He can have a few moves based off an acrobatic style. But remember, he also has alot of strength in him as well due to his size, so that is another advantage for him. Also, he can use a move here and there based off the Sting Ray name.
I actually thought of a good move for him to base it off the Sting Ray name. It works like the Falcon Punch, but different. Which will be his Neutral B attack. He cocks his arm behind him, then swings his arm forward and punches the ground in front of him. An aura of pink sting ray shock waves bounce off the ground and around him for the moment doing damage to those close. The enemy making contact to the fist hitting the ground would do double the damage. I call this the StingRay Punch.
look at this match from Soul Calibur 4. check out the move the Apprentice does on 0:29 of the video.
Overall, I think Goroh is a better representative than Black Shadow.
And a question to Da Generic Name, I dont understand how Black Shadow being the "Batman of FZero" help make him a good choice? I dont understand the meaning of that statement.
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Post by DGN on Mar 21, 2011 17:51:58 GMT -5
It was just the appearance that made it unique.
Which, in honesty, isn't helping at all, but he needed some points...
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Post by SmashKing201 on Mar 21, 2011 18:22:41 GMT -5
I seen plenty of video game characters use moves similar to that one the apprentice used. For example, Batman had a similar move in Batman returns for the SNES.
So why not give Goroh a move similar to it, but with his own style.
But honestly, Goroh is the best choice and its a shame that he may not be in this game.
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