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Post by DGN on May 29, 2011 18:09:16 GMT -5
Ah. Yeah, dang run-on sentences...
I was basically saying that there could be a better character for Blue to use rather than Gengar. Mainly because he only used Gengar in a minor game, Pokemon Stadium 2. That and Pokemon Stadium 1's gym leaders used a lot of Pokemon that they've never used in the mainstream games. They only have them because the pokemon fit the gym leader.
For example, Falkner never had a Natu or Togetic, but he uses them in PS2.
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Post by El Maiz on May 29, 2011 18:10:31 GMT -5
So he did have Gengar.
Because he had it in that game.
That he was in.
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Post by DGN on May 29, 2011 18:15:55 GMT -5
Pokemon Stadium 2 was minor, as I said.
It was never remade, was really only produced as an enhancement to the old GB games(though it could function without it), and received mediocre scores, around the 7/70's.
Plus, he only used Gengar once, whereas he used Rhydon many times and Heracross, IIRC, a few times.
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Post by ensane on May 29, 2011 18:20:32 GMT -5
Those sprites in the Pokemon Type Wild video looked nice XD
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on May 29, 2011 18:35:26 GMT -5
Ah. Yeah, dang run-on sentences... I was basically saying that there could be a better character for Blue to use rather than Gengar. Mainly because he only used Gengar in a minor game, Pokemon Stadium 2. That and Pokemon Stadium 1's gym leaders used a lot of Pokemon that they've never used in the mainstream games. They only have them because the pokemon fit the gym leader. For example, Falkner never had a Natu or Togetic, but he uses them in PS2. Upon looking at all the Pokemon he's used, I cannot find one that isn't of the same typing or proper body shape. The only three types that I'm fine with a second character for are Normal, Flying, and Fighting. Excluding starters, as Red has that covered: RED/BLUE/GREEN/GOLD/SILVER/CRYSTAL: Pidgey/Pidgeotto/Pidgeot-Could work, but at the same time there are some problems... Rattata/Raticate-Raticate could work, but Raticate is more of a last resort. Abra/Kadabra/Alakazam-Unnecessary because of Mewtwo. Exeggcute/Exeggutor-Body and Ivysaur. Gyarados-Body and Squirtle Growlithe/Arcanine-Body and Charizard. Rhyhorn/Rhydon/Rhyperior (HG/SS)-Rhydon works. Rhyperior is less popular than Rhydon, is much heavier, and is from Lucario's Generation. YELLOW: Eevee/Vaporeon/Jolteon/Flareon-Body prevents them. Also Squirtle/Pikachu/Charizard. Spearow/Fearow-Could work, but same problems as the first birds as well as the fact that they're less popular. Sandshrew/Sandslash-Could easily work, but Rhyhorn already provides Ground coverage. Vulpix/Ninetales-Body and Charizard. Magnemite/Magneton-Body and Pikachu. Shellder/Cloyster-Body and Squirtle. FIRERED/LEAFGREEN: Heracross-Would easily work. Tyranitar-A good choice, but Rhydon is a much better choice. As well as Zoroark already being in. HEARTGOLD/SOULSILVER: Machamp-Could work, but Heracross is a better choice for a Fighting type. STADIUM: Slowbro-Could work, but we already have Squirtle and Mewtwo. Clefable-Could work, but Jigglypuff. Electabuzz-Could work, but Pikachu. Pinsir-Could work, but Heracross is better for a Bug type. Dodrio-Body. STADIUM 2: Gengar-Could work. Has a unique type (Ghost). Scyther-Could work, but Heracross is a better choice. Piloswine-Body, and Rhydon is a better choice for a Ground type. Houndoom-Body, and Zoroark and Charizard. Kingdra-Body, and Squirtle. Miltank-Could work, but why would anyone want Miltank? |
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Post by DGN on May 29, 2011 18:44:10 GMT -5
I don't think there would be too much of a problem with the Pidg family's body, but considering popularity and the amount of times used by Gary, he'd be the best choice, aside from Eevee's famly.
I feel that the Eevee family would fit the best, though. I don't see the problem with their body, as Sakurai got Ivysaur to work.
IMO, of that family, Eevee>Jolteon>Flareon>Vaporeon.
I'll explain why in a bit....dang homework.
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Post by ensane on May 29, 2011 20:43:04 GMT -5
Eevee, although would be a good rep for Blue, is limited in attacks and movement due to being a full quadroped. Ivysaur have it's vines to unlimit itself. Just gonna go ahead and ninja Golden. Really I don't care that much, but Heracross/Gengar/Rhydon sounds the best to me. |
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Post by StayPuft on May 30, 2011 10:46:26 GMT -5
Can anyone remind me where Blue/Gary used a Heracross? I don't remember him using one at all, but I don't really keep track of Blue/Gary.
I honestly don't see why Eevee wouldn't work, the only problems I see are possibly in the "grabbing" department, but even then I'm pretty sure something could be worked out.
Possible Moveset for teh Eevee:
NS - Swift
- A few star-like objects appear around Eevee, then fly forwards. After a few seconds, they'll automatically disappear. Before this happens, if they get close enough to an opponent, they'll zero-in and do damage to the opponent.
SS - Sand-Attack
- Eevee kicks the ground in front of it and a small cloud of sand appears and travels forwards slightly. If it hits an opponent it deals little damage and it also makes their attacks have slightly less range, making it harder to hit opponents (aka accuracy was lowered, lolz). This effect wears off after the sand clears.
US - Take Down
- Eevee jumps, then slams onto the ground fairly hard. Any opponent hit by this takes great damage and knockback, though Eevee takes some damage as well (darn recoil). When used in the air, it can be used for recovery (obviously).
DS - Pokémon Switch (to whatever poke is next in line)
Eevee would fit Gary/Blue really well, cause they both have used one (Pokémon Yellow, Anime), and it is decently popular in it's own regard (though not as popular as other Pokémon, obviously).
But you obviously dun have to listen to me.
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Post by DGN on May 30, 2011 10:59:33 GMT -5
In FR/LG, he has one after you get the national dex.
And yes, I perfectly agree with that.
Representation, if we were to do it how DMX did it, saying Pokemon was "Awesome", would get a 5.
Eevee is a very popular pokemon, one of the more popular ones, due to having multiple evolutions.
It's not very unique, sadly.
It'd fit in pretty well, I think, and it could use a lot of different normal type moves, and I think would be a more defensive type.
Eevee would make the team have a lightweight, unlike Gengar who would make there be two middleweights.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on May 30, 2011 11:28:48 GMT -5
Can anyone remind me where Blue/Gary used a Heracross? I don't remember him using one at all, but I don't really keep track of Blue/Gary. I honestly don't see why Eevee wouldn't work, the only problems I see are possibly in the "grabbing" department, but even then I'm pretty sure something could be worked out. Possible Moveset for teh Eevee: NS - Swift - A few star-like objects appear around Eevee, then fly forwards. After a few seconds, they'll automatically disappear. Before this happens, if they get close enough to an opponent, they'll zero-in and do damage to the opponent. SS - Sand-Attack - Eevee kicks the ground in front of it and a small cloud of sand appears and travels forwards slightly. If it hits an opponent it deals little damage and it also makes their attacks have slightly less range, making it harder to hit opponents (aka accuracy was lowered, lolz). This effect wears off after the sand clears. US - Take Down - Eevee jumps, then slams onto the ground fairly hard. Any opponent hit by this takes great damage and knockback, though Eevee takes some damage as well (darn recoil). When used in the air, it can be used for recovery (obviously). DS - Pokémon Switch (to whatever poke is next in line) Eevee would fit Gary/Blue really well, cause they both have used one (Pokémon Yellow, Anime), and it is decently popular in it's own regard (though not as popular as other Pokémon, obviously). But you obviously dun have to listen to me. I literally posted a list of ALL the Pokemon he's used. I HATE being ignored. |
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Post by StayPuft on May 30, 2011 11:47:24 GMT -5
Excuse me, I skimmed it over and I guess I missed part of the FR/LG section.
But once again, he only appeared used by Blue in one (two if you count both FR and LG) games used only in a rematch, honestly there are still some better pokemon to choose from that would represent Blue/Gary better IMO
If I lived in a world where I got everything that I wanted, I would have it as:
Eevee, Rhydon, and Electivire.
Eevee because Blue and Gary have used one (Pokémon Yellow and the anime)
Rhydon because he is used repeatedly by Blue in the games, and it is slightly similar to Nidoking and Nidoqueen, both of which Gary from the anime has used. Also has the same types as Golem, which Gary (anime) has. Gary from the manga has a Rhydon.
Electivire because anime Gary has one in his current team, and he has used an Electabuzz in one of the Stadium games.
This also follows the current pokemon trainer first stage - second stage - final stage pokemon trio (Eevee is first form, Rhydon is second/middle form, Electivire is fully evolved).
But, since this isn't a world where one person gets what they want all the time, we must discuss and compromise. So yeah.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on May 30, 2011 12:44:49 GMT -5
Electivire would be a horrible choice. It's another Electric type, another 4th Gen Pokemon, and it was GARY that used one, not Blue.
We can't go by what GARY uses. Otherwise Scizor would still be in.
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Post by El Maiz on May 30, 2011 15:33:10 GMT -5
How on Earth is Eevee not unique, Generic?
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Post by DGN on May 30, 2011 15:36:05 GMT -5
He's not too unique. There are pokemon more unique than him.
He pretty much just attacks with plain normal moves, like Jiggs, except a bit differently.
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Post by El Maiz on May 30, 2011 15:38:10 GMT -5
Eevee can learn plenty of moves different from Jiggs.
Then let's say that Mario isn't unique because he hits people.
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Post by StayPuft on May 30, 2011 15:52:36 GMT -5
Electivire would be a horrible choice. It's another Electric type, another 4th Gen Pokemon, and it was GARY that used one, not Blue. We can't go by what GARY uses. Otherwise Scizor would still be in. Blue used Electabuzz, evolving it doesn't seem that big of a deal IMO. Yes, another electric type. Heracross is another fighting type, technically. Yes, he fights different that Lucario. Same could be said for Electivire to Pikachu. Pikachu is mostly about speed, Electivire is less about speed and a more about power. If we're talking about representing generations, then we should prioritize 3rd gen over everything else, since it hasn't been represented at all. We should also screw the entire rival trainer idea, since the trainer himself represents 1st gen, and there are already a huge amount of 1st gen reps (Pikachu, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard, Jiggs, Mewtwo, Pokémon Trainer Red). DGN: How is Eevee not unique from Jiggs? They learn quite different moves leveling up, Jiggs stands on two legs whereas Eevee stands on all four, Jiggly only has one evo (Wiggly), Eevee has about 6/7, Jiggs is evolved, Eevee is not, Eevee is brown, Jiggs is pink, Jiggs is based on a balloon, Eevee is based on... a cat/fox or something. Eevee would have to utilize its legs, head, etc, yes, but what fighter DOESN'T? And Eevee could also use its teeth in some smashes, etc, cause it can learn Bite. Not too many smashers can make that claim. |
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on May 30, 2011 22:10:11 GMT -5
I say no other Electric type than Pikachu, and no quadroped fighter that doesn't have alternate means of attack like Ivysaur OTHER than Mudkip, and Mudkip ain't here.
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Post by StayPuft on May 31, 2011 7:40:30 GMT -5
...but Eevee is so cute!  |
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Post by -Dr.MarioX- on May 31, 2011 9:43:08 GMT -5
That's a sick picture.
Eevee is important in Pokemon, but Rival Trainer (Blue) is supposed to be a big bad trainer. He supposed to seem like a villain character (like in the games) and bigger Pokemon do him justice.
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Post by El Maiz on May 31, 2011 9:49:13 GMT -5
So Heracross and Rhydon so far.
We should aim for a lighter Pokémon as the third member.
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