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Post by -Dr.MarioX- on May 31, 2011 10:25:54 GMT -5
Gengar. Of course, Blue used him. Gengar's a tough Pokemon and is still light.
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Post by El Maiz on May 31, 2011 10:29:18 GMT -5
Gengar just seems... not really fitting. I dunno why. I get why he would be a good choice, but it's just this nagging thing.
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Post by DGN on May 31, 2011 10:39:56 GMT -5
Gengar. Of course, Blue used him. Gengar's a tough Pokemon and is still light. Let me take a look at my handy-dandy FR/LG player's guide... Gengar is 4'11" in height, and weighs 89 lbs. Heracross is the same height, and has a 30-pound difference of 119 lbs. Eevee, on the other hand, weighs only 14.3 lbs and is only 1'00" tall. Rhydon would fit in the heavyweight category at 265 lbs and 6'03". This is about the weight/height for a heavyweight, seeing as Charizard weights 200 lbs and is 5'07" tall. Squirtle is 1'8", with 20 lbs. This is pretty similar to Eevee. So there you have it. Gengar is a middleweight.
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Post by ensane on May 31, 2011 10:40:22 GMT -5
Gengar just seems... not really fitting. I dunno why. I get why he would be a good choice, but it's just this nagging thing. Do you have anything more specific?
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Post by El Maiz on May 31, 2011 10:43:43 GMT -5
I have no clue why. It just seems... not right.
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Post by DGN on May 31, 2011 10:46:31 GMT -5
I think the problem is having less major things about him than the others.
Rhydon has all those things I mentioned in the OP. Heracross: 1. Used by Ash in the anime 2. Is the only pokemon with that type combination 3. One of the more popular Johto Pokemon 4. Was a trophy in Melee
Whereas all Gengar has going for him was being the leader of Team Meanies in Mystery Dungeon.
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Post by StayPuft on May 31, 2011 10:52:00 GMT -5
Y u no has soul? Eevee is important in Pokemon, but Rival Trainer (Blue) is supposed to be a big bad trainer. He supposed to seem like a villain character (like in the games) and bigger Pokemon do him justice. Just because he is "big" and "bad" doesn't mean he has to have a whole team of "big" and "bad" Pokémon that he has used once. Eevee represents Blue/Gary fairly well, being used by him in Pokémon Yellow, Pokémon Stadium (evolutions, but still), and in the anime. In the anime, it is stated that Gary trained the Eevee very well, and it kicked the crap out of Ash's Pikachu, who is supposed to be really tough. That in itself shows that Blue is big and bad enough to train a small Pokémon like Eevee to be a huge powerhouse.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on May 31, 2011 17:59:15 GMT -5
We CAN'T go by Gary. Red and Blue need to go by games. Otherwise Red wouldn't have Ivysaur because Ash doesn't.
Gameswise, Gengar is fine. It represents a type that isn't used in Smash, as well as one of the ONLY ones of it's type in Pokemon in the 1st Gen. As for it having Poison, it isn't a true Poison type. It was only given Poison to have weaknesses, as only Ghost could beat Ghost at the time.
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Post by StayPuft on May 31, 2011 18:31:41 GMT -5
Eevee still has had more importance to Blue than Gengar. Gengar has been used once, Eevee and its evolutions have been used multiple times. I still think that pokemon who have only been used once should be not even considered, as it decreases the chance of people knowing that Blue has used one of those Pokémon in his appearances. It's kinda like how you had to tell me that Blue had used a Gengar and Heracross; people shouldn't have to look it up.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on May 31, 2011 18:38:39 GMT -5
Eevee and it's evolutions have only been in one game as well: Yellow. A game based off the anime, which is what we're trying to avoid with the Trainers. We got all the anime popularity based fighters we need sans Meowth. I don't count Stadium, as it's only if you have Yellow inserted into the controller, and even then, it's only Vaporeon/Jolteon/Flareon. No Eevee. By your logic, Eevee is ALSO disqualified. And if we were to have another 1st Gen Normal type, it should be Meowth. If I saw Eevee, but no Meowth, I'd be really ticked off.
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Post by DGN on May 31, 2011 18:43:40 GMT -5
Is that really much of a problem? It was made as a mainstream game, but even then they didn't make it directly based off the anime. What you're thinking of is Puzzle League. They had almost every character from the anime, and Ash. No Red.
Besides. Meowth? He gained most of his popularity from the anime. The reason he was almost going to be in smash was due to the anime. Same with Pikachu, Jiggs, Pichu, and Lucario.
Also, Eevee has more importance to Pokemon in general than Gengar, due to having multiple evolutions, one of the more popular pokemon, and being in several regions.
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Post by StayPuft on May 31, 2011 18:56:10 GMT -5
EDIT: Ninja'd by Generic.
I still don't get why we should completely ignore the anime when deciding Rival Trainer's pokemon... Because the anime obviously has NO influence on the Pokémon in smash bros. Some of the reasons why Pokémon Trainer's pokemon were chosen were because of the anime (I said SOME, not solely the anime, the games were the most deciding factor). Jiggs was included mostly because it was popular in Japan, and it got that popularity because of the anime. While pokemon saying their names is natural, it was introduced somewhat in the anime. Lucario can talk in smash bros cause it did in the anime/movie (granted, Lucario only talks in his final smash). In fact, IIRC, Pikachu is so popular because of the anime, and because of the anime it became Pokémon's mascot. But I could be wrong. Anyway, completely ignoring the anime doesn't make sense to me, personally. Of course don't base every decision on it, in fact turn to the games first... but you have to acknowledge the anime somewhat.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on May 31, 2011 19:00:52 GMT -5
No, I'm NOT thinking of Puzzle League. Yellow was in fact based off the anime. That's why: a. You start as Pikachu. b. Pikachu follows you. c. Pikachu can't evolve. d. You can find wild Pidgeotto at a low level. e. You fight Jessie and James. (Who have Koffing/Weezing, Ekans/Arbok, and Meowth. Go figure.) f. You can get all three of the 3 Kanto starters as gifts. g. Blue was redesigned to look more like Gary. h. Brock and Misty were redesigned to look more like their anime counterparts.
Etc.
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Post by DGN on May 31, 2011 19:05:12 GMT -5
No, I'm NOT thinking of Puzzle League. Yellow was in fact based off the anime. That's why: a. You start as Pikachu. b. Pikachu follows you. c. Pikachu can't evolve. d. You can find wild Pidgeotto at a low level. e. You fight Jessie and James. (Who have Koffing/Weezing, Ekans/Arbok, and Meowth. Go figure.) f. You can get all three of the 3 Kanto starters as gifts. g. Blue was redesigned to look more like Gary. h. Brock and Misty were redesigned to look more like their anime counterparts. Etc. What I mean by "directly based" is that I mean they actually take the characters and put it in game. It'd be like making a pokemon game that is exactly off of the anime. I worded it wrong, but that's what I meant. So it may be based off of the anime. As I said, it was a mainstream game, so you could say that Blue used those pokemon. To further prove my point, G/S/C Red has a Pikachu. This was either based off of Yellow or the manga. But it still counts that Red has used Pika before.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on May 31, 2011 19:06:33 GMT -5
Ah, but Blue doesn't use Eevee or it's evolutions again. And Eevee's already been disqualified by your logic, leaving it's first three evolutions, which are all types used already.
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Post by DGN on May 31, 2011 19:08:26 GMT -5
...are you referring to me in that comment? Because I don't see my logic that states why Eevee would be disqualified...
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Post by El Maiz on May 31, 2011 19:17:25 GMT -5
Blue only used Gengar once, too, right Golden?
I'm not taking sides. I'm just pointing out flaws in both sides of the argument.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on May 31, 2011 19:34:20 GMT -5
Crap, it was SP that said that Eevee has been used in multiple games. D'oh!
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Post by ensane on May 31, 2011 19:40:04 GMT -5
At this point, I'm just hoping the devs tell us they have decided, but don't tell us what they decided. Then tell us to shut up.
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Post by StayPuft on May 31, 2011 19:43:14 GMT -5
Wait, tell us but not tell us? lewlwat I'm hoping that they'll represent BLUE (almost said Gary) correctly. Or they could cut him entirely and have room for a different character from a different series.
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