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Post by El Maiz on Mar 29, 2011 18:25:10 GMT -5
Morrigan is still inappropriate.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on Mar 29, 2011 18:39:59 GMT -5
I kind of have to agree.
Mortal Kombat (Sub-Zero) can be toned down, especially Sub-Zero himself (i.e. no blood, freezes opponents rather than rips out their spine, etc.)
Morrigan on the other hand, is a sex icon. Literally. She's a succubus. I have no problem with her, because I'm at a (semi) mature age, but thinking about the younger fans here like El Maiz, should we have a character who is almost uncovered in the chest department?
And Capcom has an absurd amount of characters for a company that had nothing to do with Brawl:
Ryu/Evil Ryu
Megaman
Frank West
Morrigan
Viewtiful Joe
Protoman (Should be re-replaced by Zero)
Do we really need all those Capcom characters? Maybe having Ryu, Megaman, Joe, and Frank is enough?
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Post by DGN on Mar 29, 2011 18:48:59 GMT -5
Maybe having Ryu, Megaman, Joe, and having Protoman replaced with Zero or a better Megaman rep is enough? Fixed to my personal opinion And this was the old roster for the capcom people Though arthur could replace Zero Also Sylux over Dark Samus, I think Also, Gray fox should be in |
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on Mar 29, 2011 18:54:23 GMT -5
Or at least Raiden, as he is the new star of MGS.
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Post by DGN on Mar 29, 2011 18:55:43 GMT -5
Never played it so I don't know, but yeah, that does sound more logical.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on Mar 29, 2011 18:57:38 GMT -5
He can also have moves from Gray Fox, as he's been cybernetically altered like him. And has a sword like his.
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Post by SmashKing201 on Mar 29, 2011 19:57:45 GMT -5
A lot of these characters on this roster I disagree and doesnt make sense as well. There is said to be the issue with Ice Climbers programming, yet there IS a sprite sheet that can fix that problem. And 2/3 of the new characters are not more deserving than the Ice Climbers. As for Skull Kid, yes he was popular back then and a high candidate for Smash Bros, I even wanted him playable in Smash, but that was before Twilight Princess. I have no issue with Skull Kid over Zant, since Skull Kid is more popular, but to even have Zant over Midna was a bad choice. Midna is far more popular and known than Zant. And Midna is more popular than Skull Kid. I feel that Midna should have Skull Kid's spot. I even made the perfect moveset for her to prove her potentials. When it comes to Dark Samus, its understandable why she was picked, but its just a clone character and doesnt bring variety into the roster. I know we have a very small amount of choices after Ridley, but what about Anthony Higgs? At least he has a proper identity rather than actually being a clone character like Dark Samus. He would be a great choice. I mean if Prince Fluff, Gooey, Geno, and other one time characters can make it in this roster, then Anthony Higgs should be in also. I think he outshines the rest of the Metroid cast after Samus & Ridley. Seriously?? Rival Trainer?? What originality does a 2nd Pokemon Trainer brings to the table?? That spot belongs to Meowth, no excuses. Meowth is the 2nd most recurring (if not tied with Pikachu) in the Pokemon series. He has been waiting 12 YEARS to be in a playable Smash game. All you doing by adding Rival Trainer is copying a character that already exist with the same fighting style and putting more programming difficulties in your hands. Meowth should be the next best choice. Black Shadow over Samurai Goroh to me is not the most popular choice. Yes Black Shadow is Falcon's enemy, but Goroh is Falcon's rival, which is someone who holds a personal grudge against Falcon, and that is a more significant role than just being main antagonist. That is like picking Mother Brain over Ridley. I dont see the point of adding Paper Mario if you guys didnt even like the idea of Dr.Mario to begin with. They are both alternate forms of Mario. We have Toad, Bowser Jr, & Waluigi, the 3 most popular choices for a new Mario rep. Do we really need more? Especially an alternate form of the same character? You can argue that their moves will be the same, but you cant hide the facts that it is just a 2nd Mario. I suggest that he be replace with a different character. A series that needs a rep. Mainly Animal Crossing. I understand that the Sonic series is highly popular, but really, 5 reps?? They are 3rd party, yes this is a big roster, but not one for a whole Sonic cast to take over the majority of the 3rd Party slots or misc. Nintendo characters. On top of that, Snake was in Brawl before Sonic and he doesnt even get one??? As for Morrigan, I like the character itself, but she has too much sex appeal to be fitting in a smash game. But that is not my main issue to be honest. The issue is that out of many well-known 3rd parties, why throw is more Capcom characters? On top of that why her? Same goes for Proto Man. And WHY FRANK WEST??? another Capcom, 3rd party character!!! I mean it is not like we ran out of Nintendo characters, none the less far better 3rd party choices. There is NO WAY that he is more deserving than Tom Nook, Meowth, Porky, Claus, Balloon Fighter, Ray MK, Chibi Robo, Midna, etc. And somehow he gets the spot over all these characters?? He makes no sense and is not fit for a Smash game. If any Capcom character should take his place it should be Arthur. And who is Aero The Acrobat?  ? Whoever he is, I very highly doubt he is more deserving than the characters we dont have. |
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Post by El Maiz on Mar 29, 2011 20:00:31 GMT -5
Arthur OR Haggar.
They'd both work. Haggar'd be a good heavyweight.
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Post by DGN on Mar 29, 2011 20:04:16 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't really like Anthony and I don't really think he'd have much of a chance after Adam who was already cut.
My personal thought for the next Metroid character should be Sylux.
Original, different, on the old roster, unique, just all that stuff.
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Post by SmashKing201 on Mar 29, 2011 20:18:34 GMT -5
Though Hagger is a good rep for the Capcom series, but I think Arthur is a better choice since he is a good rep for Capcom and had more involvement with Nintendo than Hagger ever did.
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Post by -Dr.MarioX- on Mar 30, 2011 6:10:28 GMT -5
A lot of these characters on this roster I disagree and doesnt make sense as well. There is said to be the issue with Ice Climbers programming, yet there IS a sprite sheet that can fix that problem. And 2/3 of the new characters are not more deserving than the Ice Climbers. As for Skull Kid, yes he was popular back then and a high candidate for Smash Bros, I even wanted him playable in Smash, but that was before Twilight Princess. I have no issue with Skull Kid over Zant, since Skull Kid is more popular, but to even have Zant over Midna was a bad choice. Midna is far more popular and known than Zant. And Midna is more popular than Skull Kid. I feel that Midna should have Skull Kid's spot. I even made the perfect moveset for her to prove her potentials. When it comes to Dark Samus, its understandable why she was picked, but its just a clone character and doesnt bring variety into the roster. I know we have a very small amount of choices after Ridley, but what about Anthony Higgs? At least he has a proper identity rather than actually being a clone character like Dark Samus. He would be a great choice. I mean if Prince Fluff, Gooey, Geno, and other one time characters can make it in this roster, then Anthony Higgs should be in also. I think he outshines the rest of the Metroid cast after Samus & Ridley. Seriously?? Rival Trainer?? What originality does a 2nd Pokemon Trainer brings to the table?? That spot belongs to Meowth, no excuses. Meowth is the 2nd most recurring (if not tied with Pikachu) in the Pokemon series. He has been waiting 12 YEARS to be in a playable Smash game. All you doing by adding Rival Trainer is copying a character that already exist with the same fighting style and putting more programming difficulties in your hands. Meowth should be the next best choice. Black Shadow over Samurai Goroh to me is not the most popular choice. Yes Black Shadow is Falcon's enemy, but Goroh is Falcon's rival, which is someone who holds a personal grudge against Falcon, and that is a more significant role than just being main antagonist. That is like picking Mother Brain over Ridley. I dont see the point of adding Paper Mario if you guys didnt even like the idea of Dr.Mario to begin with. They are both alternate forms of Mario. We have Toad, Bowser Jr, & Waluigi, the 3 most popular choices for a new Mario rep. Do we really need more? Especially an alternate form of the same character? You can argue that their moves will be the same, but you cant hide the facts that it is just a 2nd Mario. I suggest that he be replace with a different character. A series that needs a rep. Mainly Animal Crossing. I understand that the Sonic series is highly popular, but really, 5 reps?? They are 3rd party, yes this is a big roster, but not one for a whole Sonic cast to take over the majority of the 3rd Party slots or misc. Nintendo characters. On top of that, Snake was in Brawl before Sonic and he doesnt even get one??? As for Morrigan, I like the character itself, but she has too much sex appeal to be fitting in a smash game. But that is not my main issue to be honest. The issue is that out of many well-known 3rd parties, why throw is more Capcom characters? On top of that why her? Same goes for Proto Man. And WHY FRANK WEST??? another Capcom, 3rd party character!!! I mean it is not like we ran out of Nintendo characters, none the less far better 3rd party choices. There is NO WAY that he is more deserving than Tom Nook, Meowth, Porky, Claus, Balloon Fighter, Ray MK, Chibi Robo, Midna, etc. And somehow he gets the spot over all these characters?? He makes no sense and is not fit for a Smash game. If any Capcom character should take his place it should be Arthur. And who is Aero The Acrobat? ? Whoever he is, I very highly doubt he is more deserving than the characters we dont have. No sprite can fix a programming problem. We will have the real Ice Climbers if they're in the game. Midna in Smash Bros. is too much of fan service, something we try to avoid in this game. Skull Kid represents Majora's Mask, one of the best games of all time. Tell me what Anthony would do for moves. I'd love to know, because he only used a big plasma cannon in the game. Dark Samus is Metroid Prime. Why would we not put her in? Rival Trainer is what we remember from the original Pokemon. It brings us back some. And the Pokemon he uses are some of the most memorable and popular Pokemon from the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generations. Paper Mario represents himself. He would never be a clone of Mario. Think about it. Robotnik got a perfect score in our grading system (as well as Paper Mario and most unlockables) and Shadow is fan service (one of the very few). I don't really care what you see in Morrigan. She's one of the best candidates for this game. I'm sorry, but Tom Nook will never be in Smash Bros. And Chibi Robo over Frank? Are you out of your mind? And Aero the Acrobat. He's the best newcomer on that roster. Get your SNES or your Genesis out and buy his games. He's a throwback and a classic. His appearance is much like Mach Rider's in Smash. |
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Post by DGN on Mar 30, 2011 6:19:02 GMT -5
Dark Samus>Anthony
Sylux>Dark Samus, even though I'd perfer DS
Also, Rival Trainer is what you remember from the original pokemon, when he never had those pokemon? And the only pokemon from there that could bring you back is Gengar, but at that Haunter would be the better choice.
Rival>Lugia
Deoxys>Rival
Meowth>Deoxys
Deoxys=/=Zoroark
I honestly think there should really only be 4 sonic reps. Eggman is very creative and original, so that should be kept.
Little Kid: "OH WOW! A SMASH GAME WITH ALL MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS AND 80 AT THAT! I'M GONNA DOWNLOAD DAT...MOMMY, MOMMY, LOOK AT DIS GAME I'M PLAYING"
Mom: "I'm reporting whoever made it."
Clarify why you think a unique character like that could never be in, clearly with a fanbase, popularity, moveset potential, and his own stage? I honestly don't care about Chibi Robo, but I still think Arthur should be before Frank.
Since you told me that he was a character from your childhood, I'm not really minding him anymoar. Not the best choice for a Sega rep, but hey, nostalgia.
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Post by El Maiz on Mar 30, 2011 7:03:08 GMT -5
Dark Samus sounds like a palette swap.
Why can't you just face that NONE of the fans agree with the roster? Even slightly?
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Post by PartisanDaw on Mar 30, 2011 7:07:20 GMT -5
I think the roster is not bad at all(Lloyd,Sub-Zero,Isaac).
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on Mar 30, 2011 8:02:53 GMT -5
Midna in Smash Bros. is too much of fan service, something we try to avoid in this game. Skull Kid represents Majora's Mask, one of the best games of all time. Tell me what Anthony would do for moves. I'd love to know, because he only used a big plasma cannon in the game. Dark Samus is Metroid Prime. Why would we not put her in? Rival Trainer is what we remember from the original Pokemon. It brings us back some. And the Pokemon he uses are some of the most memorable and popular Pokemon from the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generations. Shadow is fan service (one of the very few). I don't really care what you see in Morrigan. She's one of the best candidates for this game. I'm sorry, but Tom Nook will never be in Smash Bros. And Chibi Robo over Frank? Are you out of your mind? And Aero the Acrobat. He's the best newcomer on that roster. Get your SNES or your Genesis out and buy his games. He's a throwback and a classic. His appearance is much like Mach Rider's in Smash. Are you EFFing kidding me? Captain Falcon can be made a moveset out of the blue, but Anthony CAN'T? He's a fricking Federation Officer! Give him weapons you would've used for Adam! Seriously! Shadow is NOT fanservice, thank you very much. Shadow has done more than Knuckles ever since his debut in Sonic Adventure 2. Blinded by personal opinions. Just because YOU think Majora's Mask is the best, doesn't mean it is. Just because YOU remember Rival Trainer the most, doesn't mean WE do. Just because YOU feel Morrigan is one of the best candidates, doesn't mean WE do or that she is. Just because YOU consider Aero the best newcomer on the roster, doesn't mean WE do or that he is. And he is NOT like Mach Rider; he wasn't made by Nintendo. Just because YOU think Frank West is a better choice over Chibi-Robo, doesn't mean WE do. Just because YOU feel that Tom Nook should never be playable, doesn't mean WE do. Failed logic is failed. |
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Post by SmashKing201 on Mar 30, 2011 8:46:22 GMT -5
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No sprite can fix a programming problem. We will have the real Ice Climbers if they're in the game.
Midna in Smash Bros. is too much of fan service, something we try to avoid in this game. Skull Kid represents Majora's Mask, one of the best games of all time.
Tell me what Anthony would do for moves. I'd love to know, because he only used a big plasma cannon in the game. Dark Samus is Metroid Prime. Why would we not put her in?
Rival Trainer is what we remember from the original Pokemon. It brings us back some. And the Pokemon he uses are some of the most memorable and popular Pokemon from the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generations.
Paper Mario represents himself. He would never be a clone of Mario. Think about it.
Robotnik got a perfect score in our grading system (as well as Paper Mario and most unlockables) and Shadow is fan service (one of the very few).
I don't really care what you see in Morrigan. She's one of the best candidates for this game.
I'm sorry, but Tom Nook will never be in Smash Bros. And Chibi Robo over Frank? Are you out of your mind?
And Aero the Acrobat. He's the best newcomer on that roster. Get your SNES or your Genesis out and buy his games. He's a throwback and a classic. His appearance is much like Mach Rider's in Smash.[/quote]
If pokemon trainer and olimar can be programed, then why not ice climbers? I want to ask you have you seen the ice climber sprite yet?
You say midna is too much of a fan service choice, yet look at half the roster itself. And no, ocarina of time was the best game in the series. Midna was voted best new video game character the year she debuted, and is the most requested character of the zelda series to return. With midna fame, the success of the wind waker series, and tingle being a big deal in japan, I think skull kid time has passed. But my question really is why did you guys pick zant over midna???
Dark samus is such a un original character. She still a clone, literally. I still have to do my research on anthony as far as his moveset, but im very sure has more to work with than what you mentioned.
Bringing back memory from previous generations? Pikachu and meowth are the only 2 who still carry those memories through this day with their anime series. Rival trainer is another uncreative choice. Meowth is more deserving and more popular choice.
Sure paper mario will have his own moveset and in paper form, but you cant hide the fact that it is still an alternate mario form, which pretty much lessens the varieties on the roster. Plus we already have the 3 most poular mario series newcomers. He really isnt a neccessary choice either.
I personally like dr. robotnik, but with the number of sonic reps we already have I see no purpose of either him or shadow. I think he and shadow need to be regraded, cause when it comes down to representation, they are only incresing an over repped series.
As for morrigan, there is no way she is the best candidate. The 3rd party list is becoming way too over populated on the roster. She brings nothing to the table except increasing the numbers of an already repped 3rd party.
Just because sakurai believes that tom nook isnt smash worthy dont make it a fact. That was his opinion and its sad that many follow that cause there are characters in smash that had far less to work with to almost nothing at all while tom nook has so much potential and plenty to use.
And yes, I was serious about chibi robo over frank west. At least chibi makes more sense, far more sense than frank west. Hell, west never appeared on a nintendo console before. Not to mention that he wasnt even playable In MvsC3, so what makes him worthy. By far one of the worse candidates on this roster.
And as for acro the acrobat, he is not the best throwback candidate, balloon fighter is the next best.
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Post by Dettadeus on Mar 30, 2011 8:57:44 GMT -5
K, I've noticed some problems with your post. 1. Pokemon Trainer is simply switching characters mid-match with certain animations playing in the background during attacks. This shouldn't be difficult to program. ZZS works, so Pokemon Trainer will. 2. Olimar's Pikmin don't have an entire AI to program. All they have to do is follow Olimar around, be tossed, and go back to him or die. Nana needs an AI that's half Human control and half CPU control. I doubt he hasn't seen the spritesheet you continually refer to, but he has said multiple times that if they're going to be in, they're going to have their usual style of one human, one CPU. Programming that is the issue. If we use the spritesheet that combines them, it takes away one of the only things that makes them fair as a pair character, and that's killing off Nana and leaving Popo without a recovery. 3. Mario is literally Nintendo's largest series. They can have as many reps as is seen fit by the devs, and the Paper Mario series has three games with a fourth on the way. 4. Frank West, from Dead Rising, did appear on the Wii. I'm pretty dang sure there's a wii version. Ah, here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Rising:_Chop_Till_You_DropThat is all. |
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Post by SmashKing201 on Mar 30, 2011 9:15:06 GMT -5
Even though the ice climbers will not work the same way they did on the console version, at least we would have them playable, which is an important factor here. Lets just throw them together as one and not worry about trying to ko one after the other.
Ok, so paper mario had its sequels, but a characer with their own identity seems like a better choice than an alterate form of one that already exist on the roster.
As for frank west, thanks for the correction but he still not a good choice
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Post by Dettadeus on Mar 30, 2011 9:24:54 GMT -5
No sprite can fix a programming problem. We will have the real Ice Climbers if they're in the game. I think they're pretty dang serious about having the Ice Climbers in their usual style. I go back to my point of it being the largest Nintendo series. DMX and Phantom gave him a 20/20. And Phantom's word is pretty much law when it comes to the roster, as far as I can tell. |
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Post by DGN on Mar 30, 2011 10:42:40 GMT -5
Law with one person is not fair.
Roster is decided by the WHOLE team.
...And no one likes Sylux? XD
I really find it funny how the old roster was better than the new one.
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? Whoever he is, I very highly doubt he is more deserving than the characters we dont have. 
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