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Post by -Dr.MarioX- on Mar 30, 2011 20:06:40 GMT -5
Midna in Smash Bros. is too much of fan service, something we try to avoid in this game. Skull Kid represents Majora's Mask, one of the best games of all time. Tell me what Anthony would do for moves. I'd love to know, because he only used a big plasma cannon in the game. Dark Samus is Metroid Prime. Why would we not put her in? Rival Trainer is what we remember from the original Pokemon. It brings us back some. And the Pokemon he uses are some of the most memorable and popular Pokemon from the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generations. Shadow is fan service (one of the very few). I don't really care what you see in Morrigan. She's one of the best candidates for this game. I'm sorry, but Tom Nook will never be in Smash Bros. And Chibi Robo over Frank? Are you out of your mind? And Aero the Acrobat. He's the best newcomer on that roster. Get your SNES or your Genesis out and buy his games. He's a throwback and a classic. His appearance is much like Mach Rider's in Smash. Are you EFFing kidding me? Captain Falcon can be made a moveset out of the blue, but Anthony CAN'T? He's a fricking Federation Officer! Give him weapons you would've used for Adam! Seriously! Shadow is NOT fanservice, thank you very much. Shadow has done more than Knuckles ever since his debut in Sonic Adventure 2. Blinded by personal opinions. Just because YOU think Majora's Mask is the best, doesn't mean it is. Just because YOU remember Rival Trainer the most, doesn't mean WE do. Just because YOU feel Morrigan is one of the best candidates, doesn't mean WE do or that she is. Just because YOU consider Aero the best newcomer on the roster, doesn't mean WE do or that he is. And he is NOT like Mach Rider; he wasn't made by Nintendo. Just because YOU think Frank West is a better choice over Chibi-Robo, doesn't mean WE do. Just because YOU feel that Tom Nook should never be playable, doesn't mean WE do. Failed logic is failed. The attempt at spotting failed logic has failed itself. This we is not the decision maker, unfortunately for you. Captain Falcon was given the moveset of an existing character developed for Dragon King. Knuckles has done more than Shadow by a ton. He's more likely to appear in Smash as a 2nd Sega rep. than Shadow. And you're the only one that thinks Chibi-Robo would be reasonable for this game. And who said we agreed with who Sakurai had chosen for Brawl? Maybe we didn't at first, but we started to agree once we played these characters. That's what's happening here. The reason we created this game was because we grew up wanting to make OUR own Smash game, not yours. We're the developers and the spriters. We don't do your work. |
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Post by El Maiz on Mar 30, 2011 20:15:35 GMT -5
WE is not the decision maker?
Why are you releasing this game to the public, then?
If it is all about YOU, why take our suggestions?
If it is all about YOU, why have the forum?
If it is all about YOU, why release the FREAKIN' game!?
Also, who was an assist trophy in Brawl?
Shadow.
Who had his own game?
Shadow.
Who has a bigger fanbase?
Shadow.
Who is more than just a partner?
Shadow.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on Mar 30, 2011 20:24:46 GMT -5
Are you EFFing kidding me? Captain Falcon can be made a moveset out of the blue, but Anthony CAN'T? He's a fricking Federation Officer! Give him weapons you would've used for Adam! Seriously! Shadow is NOT fanservice, thank you very much. Shadow has done more than Knuckles ever since his debut in Sonic Adventure 2. Blinded by personal opinions. Just because YOU think Majora's Mask is the best, doesn't mean it is. Just because YOU remember Rival Trainer the most, doesn't mean WE do. Just because YOU feel Morrigan is one of the best candidates, doesn't mean WE do or that she is. Just because YOU consider Aero the best newcomer on the roster, doesn't mean WE do or that he is. And he is NOT like Mach Rider; he wasn't made by Nintendo. Just because YOU think Frank West is a better choice over Chibi-Robo, doesn't mean WE do. Just because YOU feel that Tom Nook should never be playable, doesn't mean WE do. Failed logic is failed. The attempt at spotting failed logic has failed itself. This we is not the decision maker, unfortunately for you. Captain Falcon was given the moveset of an existing character developed for Dragon King. Knuckles has done more than Shadow by a ton. He's more likely to appear in Smash as a 2nd Sega rep. than Shadow. And you're the only one that thinks Chibi-Robo would be reasonable for this game. And who said we agreed with who Sakurai had chosen for Brawl? Maybe we didn't at first, but we started to agree once we played these characters. That's what's happening here. The reason we created this game was because we grew up wanting to make OUR own Smash game, not yours. We're the developers and the spriters. We don't do your work. I will give you Falcon, but the argument is the same for R.O.B., who has only one move that can be considered canon to what it is. And the Ice Climbers, who only jumped and swung a hammer down. AND Ristar, who only stretched his arms to grab things and tackle them by flinging himself at them. Who was the Assist Trophy in Brawl? Wasn't Knuckles. Who is the 2nd highest popular Sonic character, 2nd to Sonic himself? Not Knuckles. Who had a game where he was the star Post-Adventure? Not Knuckles. (I don't really count Knuckles' Chaotix as his "own" game, as he shared it with the Chaotix.) Who had his own stories in recent games, rather than being a tag-along for Sonic's? Certainly not Knuckles. Who was in a game where Sonic was the main star, but the story revolved around him? Not Knuckles. (Sonic 3 was about Sonic vs. Eggman again, and Knuckles was thrown in for the ride. Same with Sonic and Knuckles.) Who's the one that Sega's whoring out nowadays? Not Knuckles. (May not necesarily be a good thing, but it still shows who is more dominant in fan and company departments.) I'm not saying Knuckles is a bad choice, because he isn't. I'm saying know your facts before making a statement. And I'm not the only one who supports Chibi-Robo. I'm the only one that has the balls to say it here at this point in time. Maybe or maybe not is the case with liking the characters in the future. I don't know. Did I say it was MY game? I'm talking for the FANS, not ME, personally. You want to make a Smash with only characters you want so you can play it anytime you want, be my guest. But if you're making a game FOR THE FANS to play, you better LISTEN to them. They are the ones that are ultimately going to play it and be supportive of. Like what Professor Oak said in a Brawl in the Family comic; "It is not about you; it is about everyone else." |
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Post by Dettadeus on Mar 30, 2011 20:29:18 GMT -5
The reason we created this game was because we grew up wanting to make OUR own Smash game, not yours. We're the developers and the spriters. We don't do your work. If I recall, I believe Phantom stated that the roster was being chosen to cater to the general gaming community. Last time I checked, you guys aren't the entire general gaming community. And it really seems like Phantom is the only one who believes this. And if you guys are making it because you wanted to play an awesome smash game with all the characters you want, then why limit it to 80 with no DLC if there are still characters you want to add in? No one ever said that you had to stop at version X.0 with 80 characters and 60 stages if that's not where you want to finish. |
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Post by -Dr.MarioX- on Mar 30, 2011 20:31:41 GMT -5
We are releasing this to the public to share our knowledge of programming and spriting. And besides, there's no other Smash fan-game worth playing out there besides Flash 2 tbh.
We take suggestions to consider, never to implement without questioning.
We have the forums to discuss the game, not to listen to undeveloped and biased character ideas.
I have already explained the reasoning behind releasing this game.
Shadow was lazily thrown into Brawl as an Assist Trophy.
Knuckles had his own game as well that received higher scores than Shadow's.
Shadow has a little 11 year-old fan base. Who cares about that?
Shadow is less than a partner. Sonic and Knuckles made Knuckles more than a partner and he's appeared in almost every Sonic game so far- more games than Shadow.
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Post by DGN on Mar 30, 2011 20:38:37 GMT -5
tbh? not IMO?
Ever played Nuke Bros?
If you don't want to listen to character ideas, why have a suggestion board?
And the other devs don't appear to be much with you a lot, to be honest.
Lazily? Sakurai knew he has the biggest Sonic fanbase, aside from Sonic. Plus, he'd be more uniqe than just someone hitting people.
Shadow=/=Tails>Knuckles<Shadow
You mean Chaotix? That's old stuff.
11-year old fan base? so 11 years people have liked him?
Or if you mean by 11-year olds, why have him in in the first place? ITs either Shadow or Morrigan, then. Not both.
Less? LESS than a partner? a person who was the leader of a team in sonic heroes, leader of a team in 2006 Sonic, LEADER(kinda) of SONIC ADVENTURE 2 DARK TEAM, and he's less than a partner?
Besides, this argument is pointless.
Are we arguing for Shadow in or not?
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Post by El Maiz on Mar 30, 2011 20:42:53 GMT -5
1. We never asked you to. But you DON'T seem to consider.
2. All ideas have a bias. Mostly yours. And "Underdeveloped"? SERIOUSLY? Have you missed the COMPLETE movesets and PARAGRAPHS of reason why to include them? Then again, I'm sure that you just ignored it. I mean, who cares what the fans think?
3. Shadow was put into Brawl. Knuckles wasn't. That's the point.
4. Golden likes Shadow. He's Seventeen. How rude of you. YOU are the one who sounds eleven here.
5. Shadow is MORE than a partner. He's a RIVAL. That's like putting in Gooey and not Meta Knight.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on Mar 30, 2011 20:44:43 GMT -5
We are releasing this to the public to share our knowledge of programming and spriting. And besides, there's no other Smash fan-game worth playing out there besides Flash 2 tbh. We take suggestions to consider, never to implement without questioning. We have the forums to discuss the game, not to listen to undeveloped and biased character ideas. I have already explained the reasoning behind releasing this game. Shadow was lazily thrown into Brawl as an Assist Trophy. Knuckles had his own game as well that received higher scores than Shadow's. Shadow has a little 11 year-old fan base. Who cares about that? Shadow is less than a partner. Sonic and Knuckles made Knuckles more than a partner and he's appeared in almost every Sonic game so far- more games than Shadow. He was "lazily thrown in"? Where the Hell was Knuckles? Oh right, IN THE BACKGROUND OF A STAGE! With SILVER of all characters! Knuckles Chaotix doesn't count, as he shared the title with Mighty and new characters. You are being ignorant when you say his fanbase is full of 11-year olds. Are you calling ME, one who is older than YOU, an 11-year old? And I happen to know quite a few people older than ME that favor Shadow over other Sonic characters. Ignorant b@$t@rd. Less than a partner, right, that's why he HAS HIS OWN PARTS IN STORY MODES in games where Knuckles is simply tagged along with Sonic. He isn't a partner, he's HIS OWN THING. And you're really going by number of games? Shadow debuted long after Knuckles, so OF COURSE Knuckles is going to be in more games. But who made a bigger impact on the Sonic community? Shadow. Seriously, get your head out of your @$$. |
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Post by DGN on Mar 30, 2011 20:45:50 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Sonic is more around a younger fanbase, but heck, 11 is pretty old for being young.
Knuckles is a rival as well, but not as much as he was before.
And Knux was a trophy.
But DMX is really seeming to be biased a lot...
Falcon8r hasn't really shown much bias at all, but has shown liking towards some.
Phantom doesn't reallytalk.
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Post by El Maiz on Mar 30, 2011 20:46:17 GMT -5
We seem to be saying mostly the same things. You just do it better.  |
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on Mar 30, 2011 20:52:35 GMT -5
tbh? not IMO? Ever played Nuke Bros? If you don't want to listen to character ideas, why have a suggestion board? And the other devs don't appear to be much with you a lot, to be honest. Lazily? Sakurai knew he has the biggest Sonic fanbase, aside from Sonic. Plus, he'd be more uniqe than just someone hitting people. Shadow=/=Tails>Knuckles<Shadow You mean Chaotix? That's old stuff. 11-year old fan base? so 11 years people have liked him? Or if you mean by 11-year olds, why have him in in the first place? ITs either Shadow or Morrigan, then. Not both. Less? LESS than a partner? a person who was the leader of a team in sonic heroes, leader of a team in 2006 Sonic, LEADER(kinda) of SONIC ADVENTURE 2 DARK TEAM, and he's less than a partner? Besides, this argument is pointless. Are we arguing for Shadow in or not? I hate to be nitpicky on someone who's on my side, but in Sonic Heroes, Rouge was the leader, because she brought Shadow and Omega together, instead of destroying each other. And that was also when he didn't have any memory. |
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Post by El Maiz on Mar 30, 2011 20:55:09 GMT -5
Frankly, I think that Shadow has a BIGGER fanbase than sonic. Sonic is, just, ehh.
Shadow is BOSS.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on Mar 30, 2011 22:03:46 GMT -5
We are releasing this to the public to share our knowledge of programming and spriting. And besides, there's no other Smash fan-game worth playing out there besides Flash 2 tbh. We take suggestions to consider, never to implement without questioning. We have the forums to discuss the game, not to listen to undeveloped and[size=6[glow=red,2,300][/glow]] biased character ideas.[/size]I have already explained the reasoning behind releasing this game.[/quote] I JUST noticed that. Pretty friggin ironic, considering WHO'S saying it. |
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Post by Dettadeus on Mar 30, 2011 22:22:04 GMT -5
And whoah, I just realized another problem with a statement.
If you're making the game for yourselves, then why wouldn't the minister be in? Both you (DMX) and Falcon want the Minister to be in Crusade, and yet Phantom won't let it happen purely because he represents Subspace Emissary, which he didn't think was any good.
This is a HUGE hole in that statement.
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Post by SmashKing201 on Mar 30, 2011 22:28:00 GMT -5
tbh? not IMO? Ever played Nuke Bros? If you don't want to listen to character ideas, why have a suggestion board?
And the other devs don't appear to be much with you a lot, to be honest. |
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Post by Dettadeus on Mar 30, 2011 22:34:01 GMT -5
Because there are also suggestions for other things.
Adventure Mode. Story Mode. The Intro Animation. Just to name a few.
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Post by -Dr.MarioX- on Mar 31, 2011 5:54:31 GMT -5
Okay here's what Phantom and I have decided. Wording it the best I can:
The audience we're trying to connect with is an older group than the audience here. Most of you were born around 1998, meaning you probably never played a NES, SNES, Genesis, or even a N64. Therefore, you didn't grow up with games like Sonic and Knuckles, Aero the Acrobat, Earthworm Jim, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, etc. You grew up with Smash Bros, the Sonic games of the 2000's (the worst imo), the new Pokemon games, etc.
Because of this, your point of view of "nostalgia" is different than ours. And that's why you disagree with our choices.
I have to say another reason you don't like them is because you haven't played them...
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Post by SmashKing201 on Mar 31, 2011 6:05:48 GMT -5
Wow I didnt know the users here were that young if thats true. I was born in 1988.
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Post by DGN on Mar 31, 2011 6:20:10 GMT -5
The audience we're trying to connect with is an older group than the audience here. Then you've failed; there's more younger people here than the SSF2 expansion forums.Most of you were born around 1998, meaning you probably never played a NES, SNES, Genesis, or even a N64. ACTUALLY, despite the fact that I was very, very young and was absolutely terrible at those games, I played every one of those except NES. I still have them by my TV Therefore, you didn't grow up with games like Sonic and Knuckles, I did, then there was Sonic Mega Collection, and of course now I'm playing them yet again Aero the Acrobat, Smashking, born in 1988, didn't know thisEarthworm Jim, I'm really the only one who hates him with no reason to do so cept appearance Street Fighter, Seen several things in arcades, but disgusted by some of the charactersMortal Kombat M-Rated? You say it was on NES? You're 13 yourself. Your parents let you play that when you were like, 4 or something?, etc. You grew up with Smash Bros, Melee, but only played with friends in the norththe Sonic games of the 2000's (the worst imo), I'll have to agree with you on thisthe new Pokemon games, etc. So your saying...that animated graphics is worse than tiny, hard-to-see, little off-color pixelated images? Pokemon's improved a lot since then, IMOReplies in bold. |
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Post by El Maiz on Mar 31, 2011 6:59:25 GMT -5
I am the ONLY forumer who was born in 1998.
You know who's next closest, other than Generic?
YOU are.
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