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Post by sumika on May 10, 2011 12:40:06 GMT -5
I dont use Advanced Techniques. They irritate me. They're easy to do, I just dont like them. Only AT's I use are ledge ones, because they're not as serious as the others.
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Post by falcon8r on May 10, 2011 14:08:46 GMT -5
Don't worry, no L-Canceling in SSBC.  There is some auto-canceling, but it's AUTO-canceling, so not really an AT. Samus is my main in SSBM. I kinda want to take on Detta's Pichu with my Samus. ;D |
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Post by Dettadeus on May 10, 2011 16:55:47 GMT -5
Sucks that there isn't Wifi with Melee.
I actually had no trouble beating level 9 Samus as Pichu. She's really easy to juggle because her D-Air comes out slowly in comparison to how fast I can get up and hit her with an u-air again.
This has annoyed me for a while. I have only KOed a person TWICE with Pichu's crappy rendition of Thunder, and they were at around 130% damage and practically at the vertical blast line when I hit them. I really hate how crappy Thunder is. If it had just a BIT more KO potential I'd be able to finish off a juggle with one. But no, I have to n-air, d-air or b-air to finish the juggle, go to the ground, and hope to get an u-smash in while you're not looking.
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Post by sumika on May 10, 2011 17:24:05 GMT -5
IIRC, Melee was supposed to use the LAN that the GC had. Though I dont think they could get it to work right. Though don't take my word on it. I have no idea where I even heard that from.
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Post by falcon8r on May 10, 2011 19:33:17 GMT -5
Sucks that there isn't Wifi with Melee. I actually had no trouble beating level 9 Samus as Pichu. She's really easy to juggle because her D-Air comes out slowly in comparison to how fast I can get up and hit her with an u-air again. This has annoyed me for a while. I have only KOed a person TWICE with Pichu's crappy rendition of Thunder, and they were at around 130% damage and practically at the vertical blast line when I hit them. I really hate how crappy Thunder is. If it had just a BIT more KO potential I'd be able to finish off a juggle with one. But no, I have to n-air, d-air or b-air to finish the juggle, go to the ground, and hope to get an u-smash in while you're not looking. My Samus only uses Dair on offense.  I play a very defensive Samus though. Pichu's Thunder is not nearly as good as Pikachu's, I'll give you that. <sigh> If only Pichu were in SSBC. |
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Post by Dettadeus on May 10, 2011 20:11:00 GMT -5
DLC all the way. I might even make a suggestion thread and find sprites.  Heck, with some VERY heavy editing these might work. I mentioned Samus's D-Air since the CPUs always try to break out of a juggle with one. It is Samus's most threatening aerial move, in my experience, especially against the juggler. |
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on May 10, 2011 20:14:31 GMT -5
Those are how Pichu USED to look. (before R/S) Get some that fits it's appearance NOW, please.
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Post by Felipe_9595 on May 10, 2011 20:19:35 GMT -5
I dont use Advanced Techniques. They irritate me. They're easy to do, I just dont like them. Only AT's I use are ledge ones, because they're not as serious as the others. No johns I just broke my stick, sigh, so, time to play snk vs capcom  |
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Post by Dettadeus on May 10, 2011 20:28:27 GMT -5
Oh, here's some from a game I've never heard of that was on the GBA an E-Card thing:  This is workable. Needs insane edits, but it's workable. Perhaps as a base. @felipe: This is why you should always have a backup controller ;D EDIT: Maybe Mystery Dungeon could prove to be useful:  |
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Post by StayPuft on May 10, 2011 20:35:15 GMT -5
I'd support Pichu if it were altered slightly to be the spiky eared Pichu from HG/SS (cause that one is so kewl... and it is female, lol), and it got slightly de-cloned. Also, the Mystery Dungeon sprites are too small IMO. 'Nother sheet. Hurr:  But this is slightly off-topic from a melee discussion. OR IS IT? I MEAN, PICHU WAS IN MELEE N SHTUFF |
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Post by Dettadeus on May 10, 2011 20:39:58 GMT -5
Hm. Maybe I'll make a Pichu thread in the suggestion board. He'd be fun as DLC or as a Pikachu alternate form.
I could easily peruse through Serebii and give it a de-cloned moveset.
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Post by sumika on May 10, 2011 20:40:48 GMT -5
I dont use Advanced Techniques. They irritate me. They're easy to do, I just dont like them. Only AT's I use are ledge ones, because they're not as serious as the others. No johns I just broke my stick, sigh, so, time to play snk vs capcom Yeah, No. They break the game. That's why I dont like them. I'm not getting into a "You're only a good Melee Player if you use AT's" Argument. It's a flipping opinion. |
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Post by Felipe_9595 on May 10, 2011 21:04:07 GMT -5
Sumika, try to go on a melee torunament without knowing wavedash, cancel or teching and lest see how you place.
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Post by DGN on May 10, 2011 21:09:48 GMT -5
Coming in here for a second...
Wavedashing wasn't an "AT" as you call it.
It was a glitch, for 3 reasons:
1. The CPU couldn't do it.
2. It wasn't in the instruction manual.
3. IIRC, it wasn't in 64, which had the same type of air dodging.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on May 10, 2011 21:13:38 GMT -5
"Contrary to the common belief that it is a glitch, Wavedash is actually a physics exploit because while sliding from an airdodge is an intended part of the physics engine, the uses found for it weren't intended."
Felipe is right in that it's not a glitch.
It's an EXPLOIT. It WAS NOT intended.
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Post by Felipe_9595 on May 10, 2011 21:14:32 GMT -5
LOLOLOOOOOOOOOL www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=1624162- 1- Cpu is dumb, he cant even do L Cancel 2- Cause Sakurai didnt knowed how useful he was 3- You noob Smash 64 doesnt have air dodging LOL !!!!!!!! EDIT: Golden, lol, you jsut sayd it, it was intended, is an exploit but it was intended so |
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Post by Dettadeus on May 10, 2011 21:15:23 GMT -5
DGN: 64 didn't HAVE airdodging. Also, it's not a glitch, like Golden said. EDIT: Felipeja'd. @felipe: Silence, you. Don't ridicule people for not knowing about the oldest smash game. A lot of people haven't played it in the first place. Also, the exploit wasn't intended, the way it worked was.
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Post by Felipe_9595 on May 10, 2011 21:18:29 GMT -5
Sorry but i lvoe arguing to people who knows about something but i CANT stand against people who believe himself a "wise" without knowing antyhing about the thing is talking about. Sorry but i jsut dont tolerate that kind of people.
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Post by DGN on May 10, 2011 21:20:09 GMT -5
the uses found for it weren't intended. My point is this, though. @felipe: 1.The CPU wasn't programmed to do it. 2. Cause Sakurai wanted it to apply to all people. 3. I haven't played it in 3 years, plus I made the statement "IIRC", which in case you didn't know(which you'd be a n00b for not knowing, XD) means "If I Recall Correctly". EDIT: Hm? 64 was the minor of all the reasons I posted. Exploits are similar to glitches, but like was used in the quote, it was not intended. |
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Post by Felipe_9595 on May 10, 2011 21:22:20 GMT -5
1- Cpu is not progamed for even do a simple L-Cancel, who is totally intentional for part of sakurai
2- Hum l cancel again, L cancel is not on the manual
3- Then dont state something you are not sure
EDIT: Again, Wavedash as game mechanics was intended
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There is some auto-canceling, but it's AUTO-canceling, so not really an AT. 
I play a very defensive Samus though. 
