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Post by El Maiz on May 11, 2011 16:32:10 GMT -5
According to the Smash Wiki, Pichu is the only Melee veteran not returning to Brawl to not have any data to be playable in the game (excluding Young Link, who was replaced with Toon Link). Doesn't that tell you something? And Pichu doing damage to itself may be unique, but it's not necessary and was thrown into Melee as a gimmick to make Pichu and Pikachu different. C'mon, DMX! Bust out Pokemon and train a Pichu! |
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Post by -Dr.MarioX- on May 11, 2011 18:10:05 GMT -5
I trained a Pichu once and now it is a Raichu...
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Post by Dettadeus on May 11, 2011 18:29:37 GMT -5
First off, Pichu's doing damage to itself is entirely in reference to its Pokedex data. It CLEARLY states that Pichu's electric cheek pouches aren't mature enough, so generating electricity with them causes Pichu harm. Since Pichu likely got in on anime status (the Pichu Bros), and this trait has been featured with EVERY Pichu shown in the anime before Melee, it makes sense that it would be in the game. You and Phantom use the word "gimmick" WAY too much. It's just your description for ANYTHING you don't find necessary. Second, the fact that he wasn't planned to be in Brawl is completely irrelevant. Pichu is a veteran nonetheless. If I recall correctly, some code was found in Brawl for a Plusle/Minun pair character. Does this mean that Plusle/Minun would have a better chance than Pichu for being in Crusade? And if you guys think that Melee was FAR superior to Brawl, why does the fact he wasn't going to be in Brawl even matter? DGN: F-Smash, N-Special, F-Air, D-Air, U-Special, D-Throw and F-Throw would all do damage to Pichu, not counting his FS. Besides that, the other moves could really be anything that make sense. Also, Pichu was recently in the 11th Pokemon movie and there have been two events (one IRL activating an in-game) recently that were purely for Pichu. I'm not even asking for space to be made on the roster. I couldn't care less if he's on the main roster if he gets to be DLC. It's a similar case for the Ancient Minister; if he's in, I'm perfectly fine. |
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Post by member 777 on May 11, 2011 19:04:13 GMT -5
According to the Smash Wiki, Pichu is the only Melee veteran not returning to Brawl to not have any data to be playable in the game (excluding Young Link, who was replaced with Toon Link). Doesn't that tell you something? And Pichu doing damage to itself may be unique, but it's not necessary and was thrown into Melee as a gimmick to make Pichu and Pikachu different. proof pichu was in brawl  |
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Post by -Dr.MarioX- on May 11, 2011 19:58:07 GMT -5
First off, Pichu's doing damage to itself is entirely in reference to its Pokedex data. It CLEARLY states that Pichu's electric cheek pouches aren't mature enough, so generating electricity with them causes Pichu harm. Since Pichu likely got in on anime status (the Pichu Bros), and this trait has been featured with EVERY Pichu shown in the anime before Melee, it makes sense that it would be in the game. Then we should have Ash? You and Phantom use the word gimmick WAY too much. It's just your description for ANYTHING you don't find necessary. If the word is necessary, it should be used. Second, the fact that he wasn't planned to be in Brawl is completely irrelevant. Pichu is a veteran nonetheless. If I recall correctly, some code was found in Brawl for a Plusle/Minun pair character. Does this mean that Plusle/Minun would have a better chance than Pichu for being in Crusade? It is relevant because that could mean more than likely (by the logic that every other unused character is in there) they decided that Pichu would not return. It's been confirmed by hackers that the file found was only Random, not Plusle and Minun. However, I could see Plusle and Minun in SSBC working better than Pichu. And if you guys think that Melee was FAR superior to Brawl, why does the fact he wasn't going to be in Brawl even matter? Brawl had some things right that Melee didn't. And not "Far" more superior either. Also, Pichu was recently in the 11th Pokemon movie and there have been two events (one IRL activating an in-game) recently that were purely for Pichu. We're not worried about the movies or the anime. We're worried about the games. And I know you're thinking that Pikachu in Jigglypuff are in the game only because they were in the anime, but it is actually because they were well advertised Pokemon when the game was released. I'm not even asking for space to be made on the roster. I couldn't care less if he's on the main roster if he gets to be DLC. It's a similar case for the Ancient Minister; if he's in, I'm perfectly fine. There's like a 15% chance he won't make it, dude. |
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Post by El Maiz on May 11, 2011 19:59:39 GMT -5
Ash?
What the crap? Did you read his post?
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Post by Dettadeus on May 11, 2011 20:11:05 GMT -5
First, Oh goodie. I thought you guys didn't like the idea of pair characters outside of the Ice Climbers. There's hardly anything Plusle and Minun can do that Pichu can't, moveset-wise, although this may have changed with 5th gen since I haven't kept track of them. I'm pretty sure they're close in size, as well. The only thing the Plus/Min pair have going for them is the 3rd gen rep aspect, and we all would rather have Deoxys in that slot. Of course not. He isn't a veteran.  Wasn't there the fact that they were already going to have Pikachu and Jiggs as vets, with Lucario as a 4th gen rep and Pokemon Trainer for how much it makes sense, but they had to cap it there so the number of Pokemon reps wouldn't exceed the number of Mario reps? It's also possible that Pichu was simply put in as a second-gen rep, and it was the easiest to come up with a moveset for and was popular (not by gaming standards, but in general). Pikachu and Jigglypuff were only well advertised because of the anime. Pikachu wasn't the mascot of Pokemon before the anime popped up, last time I checked. |
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on May 11, 2011 21:12:54 GMT -5
Pikachu was only a popular Pokemon at the time. That's why he was made Ash's Pokemon.
It was because of the anime however, that Pikachu is the mascot.
Jigglypuff was also a really popular Pokemon, but it's fanbase wasn't that big until it's role as a recurring character in the anime.
Lucario is the posterboy of 4th Generation BECAUSE of it's early reveal for a movie. Same with Zoroark for the 5th Generation, but not that great of an impact as Lucario.
Pichu got in because of Pikachu and Pichu from Pokemon 3.
Mewtwo's popularity skyrocketed once The First Movie came out, but it was already popular enough being the "strongest Pokemon ever".
In order to represent the GAMES, you would need someone like Cynthia, who is a recurring character. WITH A NAME, I might add.
Aggron, Scizor, and Gengar are all biased choices on your part. Especially considering that your excuse is that "the Rival Trainer will have them because he's an important part of Pokemon." If he was, why doesn't he use Pokemon he actually USED? The way I see it, you picked your top 3 Pokemon, then slapped them on Rival Trainer just to make a "justified" excuse on why they're in.
Because I can tell you now, Gardevoir is WAY more popular than Aggron (and considering that you said you decide characters based on fanart, Gardevoir should've been the first choice as it's the Pokemon with the MOST fanart), and Heracross is more popular than Scizor (and the funny thing; Rival Trainer actually USED a Heracross before). As for Gengar, do we REALLY need another 1st Gen. that isn't Meowth?
Now in all this, I'm not saying that I want Pichu. I personally don't care for him.
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Post by El Maiz on May 11, 2011 21:23:39 GMT -5
The two posts above contain logiks.
I agree with both.
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Post by Dettadeus on May 11, 2011 22:13:12 GMT -5
How in the world did Rival Trainer play into this? It seems like you're just taking any chance you get to vent at DMX for supporting R.T. I agree with the top half of the post, won't comment further on the bottom half. |
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on May 11, 2011 22:48:49 GMT -5
....Really? I help your cause and you accuse me of "taking every chance I get to vent at him"? Ungrateful little....
If you noticed, there is a huge flaw in DMX's argument. He says that they are "worried about the games", yet Rival Trainer's Pokemon are ones he never used. If he was TRULY worried about the games for representation, Rival Trainer would have Pokemon he actually used or related to the ones he actually used. Or he would've been Cynthia (or Steven Stone, if he was Hell-bent on having Aggron).
Don't just blatantly assume I'm just narking on him over Rival Trainer. There is reasoning for bringing him up.
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Post by Dettadeus on May 11, 2011 22:59:59 GMT -5
Ok, Ok, jeesh. I'm still focusing on the "85% chance he'll be in" part of that post. |
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Post by falcon8r on May 12, 2011 4:17:30 GMT -5
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Post by -Dr.MarioX- on May 12, 2011 5:59:25 GMT -5
The Rival Trainer is referring to "Blue" or "Gary" Oak, the Rival from the First Generation (mostly considered to be the best and most popular of the series). This guy has definitely been in more than one game, as he was in Gold, Silver, Crystal, and all the remakes.
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Post by El Maiz on May 12, 2011 7:17:23 GMT -5
The Rival in Gold definitely wasn't Gary.
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Post by Dettadeus on May 12, 2011 7:38:32 GMT -5
No, but the character Blue was the 16th gym leader found in the game. He's only there because Viridian City needed a gym leader after Red got rid of Giovanni, and Red oh so conveniently kicked Blue out of his champion spot. He doesn't play the part of your rival, but he is still Red's rival.
I definitely think Cynthia would work much better. She's appeared in Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Heart Gold, Soul Silver, and Black and White. Which is two more games than Blue.
If you really wanted Gary, you should give him Machamp, Arcanine and Rhydon, all three of which he had in his Gym Leader position. The only problem with this is that it makes him another 1st gen rep.
Anyways...
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on May 12, 2011 7:42:25 GMT -5
Like I said, he's also used Heracross.
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Post by -Dr.MarioX- on May 12, 2011 14:57:20 GMT -5
They're not as unique or popular as Gengar, Scizor, and Aggron. And Cynthia isn't as popular as Blue. He's known as the Rival Trainer because you can name him like Pokemon Trainer. It only makes sense.
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Post by El Maiz on May 12, 2011 16:04:06 GMT -5
If you want Rival trainer in, make him himself.
If you want Aggron and Scizor and Gengar in, use someone else.
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Post by plasmis on May 12, 2011 16:11:36 GMT -5
Lol that sort of rhymes. On top of that, you realize that you're not even creating a rival trainer. You're simply dumping pokemon suggestions that YOU FEEL should be given to the rival trainer. Also, you're simply making a whole new trainer so why even bother calling him a rival trainer?
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