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Post by StayPuft on May 24, 2011 14:37:08 GMT -5
If you're wanting to represent Darkstalkers (which is fine by me, I love Darkstalkers), Morrigan is definitely the best choice when you know that little kids won't be playing the game. However, we don't know that little kids won't be playing the game... and well, Morrigan has these... things on her chest that aren't exactly kid-friendly. I'd personally reconsider the Darkstalkers rep to someone else, but that's just me. IMO Lei-Lei would be the best Darkstalkers rep if we're gonna be going family friendly here. Unless you're willing to downsize Morrigan's chest a few bewb sizes.
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Post by -Dr.MarioX- on May 24, 2011 15:18:28 GMT -5
Well, we should remove Zero Suit Samus too by your logic.
What kid under the age of 12 is going to actually download this game?
(Oh wait, some of you guys...)
Come on, this is a fan-game. There's no reason to. Nintendo doesn't have a problem with her. She appeared in Tatsunoko Vs Capcom for the Wii.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on May 24, 2011 16:02:36 GMT -5
And Morrigan shouldn't be replaced because she's from a game with the same genre already being represented. Here's a reason why she is better off being replaced. None of Morrigan's games were on a Nintendo system. The only games she's been in on a Nintendo system were crossovers. Specifically SNK vs. Capcom 2 and Tatsunoko vs. Capcom. This makes her as deserving as PTX-40a. If I am wrong, then show me. However, two games that aren't her actual series doesn't qualify for good representation. She's only one of many Capcom series represented in those games. Whereas someone like Haggar had his games ported to the SNES. And the big difference between ZSS and Morrigan is that ZSS is covered, Morrigan is nearly topless. And with ZSS's sprite, you can hardly tell she HAS boobs.... And you doubt your own game if you think that kids under 12 won't download it. This is a Smash fangame. It will attract Smash fans of (almost) all ages. |
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Post by DGN on May 24, 2011 16:03:27 GMT -5
@plamis: I know, right? XD
Zero Suit Samus in this game doesn't have clear sprites to see her physique.
I actually find it likely, I've randomly searched a number of games younger than 12.
Also, there is no one here under 12. Lrn2rd. The youngest person here is El, and he's almost 13. Not to mention that you're the third youngest here...
TvC was rated T for partial nudity, IIRC.
EDIT: Yuiitusinja'd.
Also, Haggar had a game for the game boy as well, I believe. That adds to it.
And besides, on the old roster, you had 4 chars, and now you've added Morrigan and possibly Arthur. 6 capcom reps? I think that's too much.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on May 24, 2011 16:15:45 GMT -5
I was just saying you guys were assuming that what you guys think would be added to the game without any discussion with us whatsoever. And this is utter BS as well. We were full on expecting discussion. We were just ignored and given faulty arguments (from you. Phantom makes good ones.) So...one's down. This still doesn't change the fact that MGS is horribly underrepped compared to other 3rd Parties (even one that has never been on a Nintendo system), SEGA being treated like the only things it's done is Sonic and an old obscure game, and the atrocity that is Rival Trainer. You know, we all came to an agreement with G/S Trainer/Ethan. Why not have him instead? |
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Post by StayPuft on May 24, 2011 16:20:49 GMT -5
Actually, I'd still prefer Kris over Ethan  And yes, I've heard your argument, no need to say it again, hurpaderp. It's pretty much biased, anyway, I just feel that smash needs moar females. |
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Post by Dettadeus on May 24, 2011 17:04:13 GMT -5
I was just saying you guys were assuming that what you guys think would be added to the game without any discussion with us whatsoever. Just to put this out there, there is a grammatical mistake. You need something along the lines of "would be" at the end of the sentence. Right now it's just an incomplete run-on. "You were saying" "that" "we were assuming" "that" "what you guys think would be added to the game" "without any discussion with us whatsoever". There should be a "would be" so it reads as "I was just saying you guys were assuming that what you guys think would be added to the game without any discussion with us whatsoever would be." with the "would be" referring to what we were thinking would be added without any discussion with you. Just pointing this out, my opinions don't exist in this section of the post. Now they do. I can understand that Phantom has very little time because of exams and such, but come summer it would be nice if he at least posted once a week or when there's a huge argument like this. Werekill posts quite a bit nowadays, and from what I've heard he's pretty much just as busy as Phantom, school-wise. |
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Post by -Dr.MarioX- on May 24, 2011 18:12:45 GMT -5
I was just saying you guys were assuming that what you guys think would be added to the game without any discussion with us whatsoever. And this is utter BS as well. We were full on expecting discussion. We were just ignored and given faulty arguments (from you. Phantom makes good ones.) So...one's down. This still doesn't change the fact that MGS is horribly underrepped compared to other 3rd Parties (even one that has never been on a Nintendo system), SEGA being treated like the only things it's done is Sonic and an old obscure game, and the atrocity that is Rival Trainer. You know, we all came to an agreement with G/S Trainer/Ethan. Why not have him instead? Okay, so by your logic, Sakurai would put any character in Brawl if 5 people could come up with a few reasons to. You just assume that fans talking about something means that it will be implemented into the game. And no, YOU SAID G/S Trainer should be in. WE, the entire Crusade community, did not. If you don't like the characters in the game, then go play something else. If you're just going to sit here and complain about something that is far from being in the game, then you are only annoying other people. Two of those being Phantom and I trying to put effort into this game. We won't even get to Rival Trainer if we have to reply to this kind of crap over and over. |
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Post by El Maiz on May 24, 2011 18:18:00 GMT -5
Erm, no.
WE, the entire Crusade Community, said G/S trainer should be in. YOU did not.
You really suck at this, man.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on May 24, 2011 18:30:27 GMT -5
And this is utter BS as well. We were full on expecting discussion. We were just ignored and given faulty arguments (from you. Phantom makes good ones.) So...one's down. This still doesn't change the fact that MGS is horribly underrepped compared to other 3rd Parties (even one that has never been on a Nintendo system), SEGA being treated like the only things it's done is Sonic and an old obscure game, and the atrocity that is Rival Trainer. You know, we all came to an agreement with G/S Trainer/Ethan. Why not have him instead? Okay, so by your logic, Sakurai would put any character in Brawl if 5 people could come up with a few reasons to. Please, just shut up. You have horrible skills in arguing, and you claim things that are just flat out WRONG.You just assume that fans talking about something means that it will be implemented into the game. Again, you're claiming something that never happened. I'm saying that since we've all come to an agreement (you said it yourself that G/S Trainer was an option if you didn't go with the failed idea that is Rival Trainer) it'd be best to go with it. The Pokemon used for Rival Trainer do not make the least bit of sense, and all your arguments for them have been faulty and biased.And no, YOU SAID G/S Trainer should be in. WE, the entire Crusade community, did not. If you don't like the characters in the game, then go play something else. If you're just going to sit here and complain about something that is far from being in the game, then you are only annoying other people. Two of those being Phantom and I trying to put effort into this game. We won't even get to Rival Trainer if we have to reply to this kind of crap over and over. Uh, yeah, WE, the Crusade community, said we should have G/S Trainer. I was not the only one who said that. Face it, people would rather have a Trainer with Pokemon that make sense than one that doesn't. Rival Trainer may seem like a "cool" idea to you, but he's not a "reasonable" idea. I mean, his Pokemon are random and made just so every Generation has 1 representative. You claim you're "representing the games", but Blue never used those Pokemon, and those three Pokemon are not even important game-wise. And there was another claim that you were going for nostalgia, but I don't recall Blue using those Pokemon, nor do I recall Scizor or Aggron being in the 1st Generation.Replies in yellow. And you know what? I wouldn't act so high and mighty if I were you. Sure, a game needs sprites, but a spriter is easily replacable, unlike a programmer. Don't tell me you actually believe that the game couldn't go on without you. Without Phantom or Falcon, that'd be true. But if I recall, you left before and progress wasn't halted in the slightest. Which appals me that Falcon has little say. He should be higher ranking than you when it comes to decision making. Instead, anything he says is usually ignored as if he didn't matter. When the truth of it is, he matters more than you do in this project. And that is all I have to say about that. If you have any replies on this issue, you will take it through PM. |
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Post by ensane on May 24, 2011 18:47:54 GMT -5
There's 11 (with individual Pokemon) including Rival. I think if we weren't to have Rival Trainer, here's the Pokemon we would consider instead (in order of highest possibility): -Darkrai -Gold Trainer (Totodile, Bayleef, Typhlosion) -Plusle and Minun -Hitmonlee/Hitmonchan Switch-Out -Deoxys -Raichu -Meowth I'm sorry, but he was second highest on your list of alternates... Can you find anyone that disagreed with him? Or are you saying that you disagree with him after all? |
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Post by SmashKing201 on May 24, 2011 20:18:55 GMT -5
Um yea, I just want to say that about the Gold Trainer/Rival Trainer debate, I agree that Gold Trainer sounds like a reasonable choice, but I dont support neither one of them as a choice to be playable due to the copy-cat style of the Original Trainer. Want to point that out since it has been said that everyone on this forum prefer which trainer.
off topic notice:
Im about to try and sprite a stage. Either Mac's boxing ring or duck hunt stage. hopefully i can do it. ;D
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Post by -Dr.MarioX- on May 25, 2011 8:49:26 GMT -5
I'm saying you guys need to quit assuming things. Just because he's on a list doesn't mean anything yet. Phantom has to grade Darkrai and then G/S Trainer.
Oh, Golden:
You need to learn the definition of the word "Claim", first of all.
Are you insulting my spriting skills? Let me tell you that I'm the one who finished almost 20 different characters' sprites and animations and one of the first spriters in fan-gaming history to do so. I've made full sprites for characters like Olimar, MACH RIDER, Wario, Lucas, DONKEY KONG, Falco, Young Link, VAATI, SAKI, Yoshi, and many others. Some of those have never even had attempted sprites. And yes, I was first to complete most of those.
Spriters aren't replaceable either- at least not easily. How about you sprite this game, Golden? You don't do anything else for the game besides hating on the two people that came up with this very idea.
And no, if the SSBC Community said they wanted G/S Trainer, the people on the MFGG, RPGVX, and SWF forums would've said so. And sure, maybe I agree with G/S Trainer, but my little list states that I'd rather have Rival Trainer or Darkrai before G/S Trainer.
Golden, quit insulting me. That is illogical, irrelevant, and childish. I can throw stones too and you're the one with the glass house. We're talking about a fan-game. What matters is gameplay and you come on here to tell me I don't matter?
Okay, take it this way- we're brothers, the three of us. We're going to make this game and continue our methods of production throughout the whole process. We all are satisfied with our current positions and I find it advantageous that there are only 3 people working full-time on this game.
Oh, and sorry, I already finished Duck Hunt's graphics along with many other things.
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Post by DGN on May 25, 2011 10:37:11 GMT -5
I'm saying you guys need to quit assuming things. Just because he's on a list doesn't mean anything yet. Phantom has to grade Darkrai and then G/S Trainer. Ah, so it was your own opinion that Darkrai>G/S Trainer...Oh, Golden: You need to learn the definition of the word "Claim", first of all. Are you insulting my spriting skills? I didn't hear that. Let me tell you that I'm the one who finished almost 20 different characters' sprites and animations and one of the first spriters in fan-gaming history to do so. I've made full sprites for characters like Olimar, Had a base. MACH RIDER, Wario Had a base., Lucas,Had a base. DONKEY KONGI still don't know what we're doing here., FalcoWhy isn't this capitalized?, Young LinkIIRC, had a base, VAATIIIRC, had a base, SAKI,Had a base. YoshiIIRC, had a base , and many others. Some of those have never even had attempted sprites. And yes, I was first to complete most of those.
Spriters aren't replaceable either- at least not easily. How about you sprite this game, Golden? You don't do anything else for the game besides hating on the two people that came up with this very idea. You don't really read everything. Who got the announcer to voice everything for you? Golden.
And no, if the SSBC Community said they wanted G/S Trainer, the people on the MFGG, RPGVX, and SWF forums would've said so. They weren't proposed the idea and had no idea of Rival Trainer. If possible, we could ask whether they'd perfer Rival or G/S Trainer. They'd say G/S trainer, no doubt about it. And sure, maybe I agree with G/S Trainer, but my little list states that I'd rather have Rival Trainer or Darkrai before G/S Trainer.
Golden, quit insulting me. That is illogical, irrelevant, and childish. I can throw stones too and you're the one with the glass house. wut We're talking about a fan-game. What matters is gameplay and you come on here to tell me I don't matter? I never heard him say that.
Okay, take it this way- we're brothers, the three of us. We're going to make this game and continue our methods of production throughout the whole process. We all are satisfied with our current positions and I find it advantageous that there are only 3 people working full-time on this game. Humm...Falcon didn't like Rival, IIRC. He supports Gray Fox in the game and another SEGA char. So yeah...
Oh, and sorry, I already finished Duck Hunt's graphics along with many other things.Replies in Purple. EDIT: Oh wait, didn't see Golden's edit, ignore the things about the spriting. |
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Post by falcon8r on May 25, 2011 11:54:04 GMT -5
You know what's childish? This thread. <locked>
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