Official v2 Tier List Crusade 0.6

[The 85.]

Im Mario, don't you see my avatar text?
Yeah, but i have punished many CPU's with the second strike then they try to get free hit.

[Felipe_9595]

You sayd it. Cpus. Human>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cpu

[Dettadeus]

Who said we're ignoring infinites? Crusade Cancel, yes, because it's a glitch. Waluigi's infinite, yes, because it's a glitch. However, Krystal's stun lock is just difficult to pull off, not a glitch.
And you honestly think I'd throw a Demon Sniper shot at Fox when he can reflect it? How about when he's helpless and falling to the stage? Can't reflect when you're helpless.

[The 85.]

Jul 27, 2011 14:51:30 GMT -5 Felipe_9595 said:

You said it. CPU's.
Human > CPU

(Corrected your post.)
Yeah, they are CPU's, but CPU's are great on shielding anyway.

[Chaotic Chao]

I hate to do it, but I'm going to compare Link to Knuckles for a second here.
You see, Link's and Knuckles's moves both are similar in that they are quite slow but give a high reward. Now, Knuckles's moves are extremely slow and very hard to hit with. Link's moves are slightly similar. However, a lot of Link's moves are faster than Knuckles's moves and give nearly the same reward (especially his hidden skills).

Since I main both of these characters I've had plenty of time to compare. They're both nearly equally hard to hit people with, but I found it noticeably easier with Link and the reward made it worth it, whereas with Knuckles, the damage reward kind of cancelled out the lag. As a huge Sonic fan, I like Knuckles better, but that's irrelevant. Not to mention Link's added bonuses: his projectiles, which help him fight at a distance. And to top it all off, his range is exceptional.

Now what is it that makes you think Link is bad? His air game is not all that matters, and his final smash...well, yeah, it's range sucks. But that's not enough to put him second to last.

Correct me if you claim I'm wrong.

EDIT: I got majorly ninja'd.
EDIT2: Now that the wiki mentions it, Link's FS gauge did shoot up fast when I played as him. I guess that sort of makes up for the hard-to-pull-off FS.

[Felipe_9595]

oh, thats another thing, i can assure you he is bottom tier, but that doesnt mean he cannot be,for example
25, or something like that.

EDIT: hahaha detta you are funny. So the infini of your mains are legit, meanwhile all the other infinites must be banned. is still an infinite, and infinites are banned (Not in brawl because brawl is noob, but in melee infinites are banned (wobbling, anyone?))

[The 85.]

The FS isn't that hard to pull off, you just have to get close to the opponent, and press the Special Botton.

[Chaotic Chao]

It is when they ultimately sidestep. I hate that.

[Dettadeus]

I don't recall saying any of Lucas's stun locks being banned. You're just taking everything I say out of context.
Screw it, I say we quit arguing about the tier list because nobody seems to be talking on the same terms. Heck, there isn't even a standard tournament ruleset to base all this off of. This is why I really wanted to wait until the next version to even start on a tier list.

[Felipe_9595]

we have plenty of time to talk about this one before 0.7 comes out (We are waiting since april)

and at least, the forum haves more activity than before

[Zeldasmash]

Well here is my v2 opinioned tier list v3

[Felipe_9595]

Okay, almsot exactly as old one

- I prooved that Fox is betetr than goku and krystal
-Bomberman is one fo the worst characters of the game, with the worst recovery (along with link)
- there is now way snake is that low. He can leave infinite c4 (Residual c4 AT), he haves more stage control than bomberman and haves a good recovery
- Lucas have an infinite so he have to rise dramatically
- Ryu is just too high. he is not that good.
- Same for link

So , my complaint so far are:

- Bomberman and linka re bottom tier
- Ryu is mid tier
- Snake is mid tier
- Luigi should be higher
- lucas is high mid tier
- Ristar, as i prooved (And ensane sayd too doesnt have kill moves, he is low tier
- Toad suffer from link syndrome, but with a better recovery. high low tier

[The 85.]

Jul 27, 2011 15:57:42 GMT -5 Felipe_9595 said:

Okay, almost exactly as old one.

- I proved that Fox is better than Goku and Krystal
- Bomberman is one fo the worst characters of the game, with the worst recovery.
- There is now way snake is that low. He can leave infinite c4 (Residual C4 AT), he haves more stage control than bomberman and has a good recovery.
- Lucas have an infinite so he have to rise dramatically
- Ryu is just too high. he is not that good.
- Same for Link

So , my complaints so far are:

- Bomberman and link are bottom tier
- Ryu is mid tier.
- Snake is mid tier.
- Luigi should be higher.
- Lucas is high mid tier.
- Ristar, as I proved (And ensane sayd too doesnt have kill moves, he is low tier.
- Toad suffers from Link syndrome, but with a better recovery. High low tier.

Didn't you said that infinites were banned?

[Felipe_9595]

Omfg you dont read no??? Is not an infinite combos, when i mean infinites c4 i mean you can leaves more than 1 at the time with that AT

[Excalibur]

Jul 27, 2011 15:52:51 GMT -5 Zeldasmash said:

Well here is my v2 opinioned tier list v3

Now this is a true tier list. ^

Jul 27, 2011 15:57:42 GMT -5 Felipe_9595 said:

Okay, almsot exactly as old one

- I prooved that Fox is betetr than goku and krystal
-Bomberman is one fo the worst characters of the game, with the worst recovery (along with link)
- there is now way snake is that low. He can leave infinite c4 (Residual c4 AT), he haves more stage control than bomberman and haves a good recovery
- Lucas have an infinite so he have to rise dramatically
- Ryu is just too high. he is not that good.
- Same for link

So , my complaint so far are:

- Bomberman and linka re bottom tier
- Ryu is mid tier
- Snake is mid tier
- Luigi should be higher
- lucas is high mid tier
- Ristar, as i prooved (And ensane sayd too doesnt have kill moves, he is low tier
- Toad suffer from link syndrome, but with a better recovery. high low tier

...
FOOL!
You aren't even able to use correct grammar.

[The 85.]

Jul 27, 2011 16:24:05 GMT -5 Felipe_9595 said:

OMFG, you dont read? It's not an infinite combo, when I mean infinites C4, I mean you can leave more than 1 at same the time with that AT.

Yes I do read, but that AT sounds like a glitch. <_<

[Felipe_9595]

Oooooh Pressing down b and creating a lock is not banned, BUT doing a intrincated sequence of buttons to cancel an create an infinite is banned. That logic is flawless!!

Oh wait...

[Chaotic Chao]

Jul 27, 2011 15:57:42 GMT -5 Felipe_9595 said:

- Ryu is just too high. he is not that good.
- Same for link

I'm beginning to think you're ignoring me.

[Felipe_9595]

No, i am not ignoring you, srly, I am stating facts, His air game is poor and alggy, same for gorund and hsi recovery is and, thats why he is lwo tier. he overall sucks

Excalibur and you are??? Go play brawl scrub

[The 85.]

And all you're doing is lying. Don't say **** if you haven't played with those characters.
Are you calling him brawl noob? He has been playing Brawl since 2009. he's pretty much a great player.