Excitebiker Sprites & Moveset

[SmashKing201]

Hey doc, if the devs plan to have one of excitebiker's move be turbo charge, will he use it on or off the bike? And is it similar to what I have in mind?

[DGN]

I think it's going to be on his bike...I mean...having him off it is ridiculous, since Mach Rider is already in...

[AEM]

Also that "Turbo Boost"

Is not a boost at all. It cools down your bike at the touch, if anything it's probably an air vent.

[SmashKing201]

I've decided that I will get rid of Turbo Charge and just put the Turbo Boost and the 360 Flip all into one Up B attack instead. The 360 Flip is self-explanatory while the Turbo Boost helps give it that extra lift since it may possibly just be an air vent in the series.

By the way, I will re-do his Special attacks and add in the rest of his move set soon. What I have in mind is this. Since we have some that think that Excitebiker should stay on his bike while some think that he should be on foot, I have an idea that would please everyone. Why not just give the ability to do both? Down B would give him the ability to switch between the 2. Being on foot and being on vehicle can help create something new as far as fighting style.

[DGN]

Aug 21, 2011 12:26:37 GMT -5 SmashKing201 said:

By the way, I will re-do his Special attacks and add in the rest of his move set soon. What I have in mind is this. Since we have some that think that Excitebiker should stay on his bike while some think that he should be on foot, I have an idea that would please everyone. Why not just give the ability to do both? Down B would give him the ability to switch between the 2. Being on foot and being on vehicle can help create something new as far as fighting style.

Because that would need to sprite and code twice the characters and create a half-mach rider clone when he changes.

[AEM]

Aug 18, 2011 16:19:30 GMT -5 AEM said:

NEUTRAL SPECIAL; FLOOR IT!
Excitebiker press on the gas pedal, his Bike is chargin' and chargin' his Bike beginning to turn into Red, it's burnin' baby and if you charge to much it EXPLODES! This Move charges the Side Special

When the Bike explodes he'll be on foot. While in this state is only able to the do the following.

Combo, Tilts, Neutral Air, and Grabs. After 10 seconds on foot, by pressing the special button he regains his bike.

This works out twice as better then what you're thinking of pal.

[SmashKing201]

@dgn
I do agree that it would be double the coding, but then what other way would he work? Having him only on his bike can leave him a bit limited in my opinion. And for some reason many would not be pleased with him being on foot.

I think I might have to disagree about him being a clone. The only similarity he would have to Mach Rider is the ability to use a bike. Everything else would be different.

AEM
The only thing I see this move working better is that it has better reference to his series, but I dont see how a move like that really helps his fighting style.

I was thinking this. Switch the Concrete Barrier to his N:B, Checkered Flag to his S:B, The 360 Flip would be U:B, and Switch (Bike/Foot) would be D:B.

[AEM]

Regardless, I still believe my moveset for Excitebiker is better, because I know what I'm talking about. I can't say the same for you though, it's one thing for Mach Rider to be off his bike. He actually does go off it. Excitebiker only leaves his bike when his is in the Results Screen.

The Neutral Special represents the bike heat up pressing 1 or A in the Wii and NES Versions of the game.

The Side Special represents that holding 1 or B will boost your speed up.

The Up Special represents the Ramps the ExciteBikers use to lift up into the air in the games.

The Down Special represents the Turbo Strips that cool down your bike.

The Final Smash Represents Excitebike as a whole.

The Bike exploding represents the Overheating of the Bike.


I've had this moveset done for a very long time, and nobody has ever complained againist it.

[SmashKing201]

For those who aren't aware, me and AEM are discussing a full move set for Excitebiker and will be posted up later. We are putting both mines and his move set together to make one that fits him well.

[DGN]

Aug 22, 2011 7:09:42 GMT -5 SmashKing201 said:

I do agree that it would be double the coding, but then what other way would he work? Having him only on his bike can leave him a bit limited in my opinion. And for some reason many would not be pleased with him being on foot.

It raises unqiueness and the lowers the chance of people hating the game because he'd be extremely similar to Mach Rider, appearance-wise

I think I might have to disagree about him being a clone. The only similarity he would have to Mach Rider is the ability to use a bike. Everything else would be different.

We have a lot of car racing people for side special. We don't need another.
And if he'd be on foot, he'd probably be extremely similar to Mach Rider, moveset and appearance-wise.

I approve of AEM's moveset.

[AEM]

This is the moveset we have come up with together, ironically the majority of it is from my own Moveset.

CHARACTER

EXCITEBIKER

CHARACTER THEME


Taunt, "PEACE!"; Excitebiker throws out the classic Peace sign he always does after completing a race.
Combo; Excitebiker leans forward on his Bike and punches twice, he then rushes forward a bit for the finishing blow.
Side Tilt; Excitebiker rushes forward a small bit, however he does a wheelie while doing this.
Up Tilt; Excitebiker does a short uppercut, of course he doesn't get off of his bike in the move.
Down Tilt; Excitebiker shifts his bike sideways, then he does a low kick
Dash Attack; Excitebiker does a Half Doughnut
B, "Floor It!"; Excitebiker press on the gas pedal, his Bike is chargin' and chargin' his Bike beginning to turn into Red, it's burnin' baby and if you charge to much it EXPLODES! The Explosion damages Excitebiker and surrounding players. This Move charges the Side Special
Side B, "Let 'Er Rip!"; The Excitebiker then Rushes forward moving twice as fast as Mach Rider, and has the ability to jump. He may also turn around.
Up B, Morph Ball; Excitebiker takes out the Orb from Excitebike World Rally then, a ramp appears under Excitebiker, he rides off it while doing a 360 Backflip. What a cool guy.
Down B,
CURRENTLY UNDECIDED; OPTIONS
OPTION 1
Concrete Barrier; Remember that barrier on the Excitebike racetrack that stuns your biker and slows him down? Well, Excitebiker will use it as a shield for his down b. Excitebiker would first raise his hands in the air, slam his hands down, grip the ground, and pull out a barrier and crouch behind it to use as a shield. The move is similar to pit's down b. So you know, though it looks like a lot of instructions for him, it takes a second to do this whole move.
<NOTE> If this move is chosen, the bike will cooldown opposite of how the Wario Waft works, basically. It will cool down during the match.
OPTION 2
"Gotta Cool Her Down!"; Excitebiker kneels down and cools down the Bike, this does not destory charge for the Neutral Special, but it does remove the heat to prevent the bike from exploding.
Side Smash; Excitebiker takes out a Checkered Flag, and swings forward.
Up Smash; Excitebiker wheelies in place, and does a short hop, the front Wheel is spinning, upon touching it, the Wheel will combo opponents, and then release them with moderate knockback.
Down Smash; Excitebiker does 2 doughnuts in place.
Neutral Aerial; Excitebiker does a Frontflip 360
Forward Aerial; Excitebiker sits on the handle bars, kicking with his feet forward
Up Aerial; Excitebiker does the "Kiss of Death"
Backward Aerial; Excitebiker does the "Superman"
Downward Aerial; Excitebiker flips his bike upside down, and punches above himself. (Which is actually torwards the ground at this moment) This is his Meteor Smash.
Grab; Excitebiker places his foot on the ground, and has the bike to his side. He then edges to grab the foe.
Pummel; Excitebiker punches you in the face.
Forward Throw; Excitebiker Rams into the Foe.
Upward Throw; Excitebiker tosses the foe upward.
Backward Throw; Excitebiker backkicks them behind him.
Downward Throw; Excitebiker throws the opponent downward, he then drives on their face.
FINAL SMASH; FINAL LAP!
The Final Lap ramp appears to the right of the stage, Excitebiker drives to it and grabs frist place! Then 8 more Excitebikers are driving behind to get finish the race! Once they're all done, Excitebiker drives back with a Trophy in hand! He then returns to where he started, and then the match continues.

*KABOOM*
Uh-oh! Excitebiker's bike Exploded!

<NOTE> Upon explosion, Excitebiker will work very similar to Olimar without Pikmin, he will be unable to do certain attacks.

Taunt; Same as Bike
Combo; Punch, Punch.
Side Tilt; Excitebiker does something similar to Sonic's Side Smash
Up Tilt; Same as Bike
Down Tilt; Same as Bike
EVERY SMASH; Excitebiker will take out the Flag and twirl it all around him, he will then Swing the Flag in the same direction as were the Smash button was pressed
Neutral Aerial; Excitebiker does something similar to Wolf's Neutral Aerial
Grab; Excitebiker edges to grab a foe
Pummel; Same as Bike
Forward Throw; Excitebiker tosses Foe forward
Upward Throw; Same as Bike
Backward Throw; Same as Bike
Downward Throw; Excitebiker drops his foe, he then jumps onto of them.

All Special Buttons; After 10 Seconds of being Bikeless, pressing the Special Button will have the bike return to Excitebiker. Activating the Final Smash will have it Automatically return to you.

VICTORY THEME

[-Dr.MarioX-]

^This is almost exactly what I came up with before!

[SmashKing201]

Pretty much possibly 70% of the move set if from AEM while 30% came from me. We had different views of the special attacks, but the rest of the move set had the same or similar ideas. Two great minds think alike.

As for the Down Special here is what I thought.

The issue I have with the Refill is this. Wario and certain other characters usually recharge their special attacks on their own though time. For example, Wario Waft. Excitebiker already has a chargable attack with his Neutral B, so why not give him an offensive attack as part of his special attack other than the 2 already available?

I was really behind my idea of having the Concrete Barrier as an idea for the Down B to play as a shield, but since the B button itself is needed to recover the bike, I decided to scratch this idea.

AEM & DMX

I got the perfect idea for his new Down Special, this is how it works.
It is a Wheelie/Dounut.

Excitebiker does a Wheelie in place and does a dounut on one wheel with rapid spins. When done on ground, dirt flies on a diagonal/45 degree angle on both sides of the bike as he spins rapidly. When done in the air, it does the same spin, but without the dirt shooting out. This move can be used similar to Mario's Tornado, but on bike. NOTE: he can only do this special attack when on bike.

What you guys think?

[AEM]

@dmx
You came up with a moveset before? If you would kindly post what you had for the Down Special, I'd appreciate that.

@sk
Eeeehh....
I don't exactly like the idea, I mean the Barrier was much more unique then this, but I honestly wasn't fond of that one either.

[-Dr.MarioX-]

Standard: Turbo Boost
Excitebike charges forward like in the game. If you hold it out for too long, an explosion will occur and all of that.

Side: Wheelie
Excitebike leans back while moving. If a player gets caught up under the bike, it does damage. Also, Excitebike will have a Smash B where he slams down at the end of the wheelie, spiking when done on an edge.

Up: Ramp
A ramp appears under Excitebike as he rises into the air. You can do different tricks off the ramp if you press different buttons when going off the ramp.

Down: Cool-Off
Excitebike gets off the bike and can cool it down for as long as you like. The longer you cool down, the less chance Turbo Boost has of exploding and the higher Ramp will send you upward.

Final Smash: World Rally
Many more different colored Excitebikes fly down onto the stage and race around.

[SmashKing201]

The problem with Cool-Off I see is this. It is bad enough that one other special attack's purpose is to prepare for the other (Side Special), but I think 2 is not worth it. If that's the case, I might as well only use Smash, tilt, grab, & air attacks when playing excitebiker. Playing as him, I would not want to continue worrying about the heat of of my bike in a middle of a fight. It doesn't benefit the player or other fighters in the match since it would kill the flow of the fight.

[DGN]

Aug 23, 2011 16:54:24 GMT -5 SmashKing201 said:

The problem with Cool-Off I see is this. It is bad enough that one other special attack's purpose is to prepare for the other (Side Special), but I think 2 is not worth it. If that's the case, I might as well only use Smash, tilt, grab, & air attacks when playing excitebiker. Playing as him, I would not want to continue worrying about the heat of of my bike in a middle of a fight. It doesn't benefit the player or other fighters in the match since it would kill the flow of the fight.

BUT
it creates a unique character with a risky playstyle we have not seen before, save for Lucario who has partially been changed.

[SmashKing201]

Unique yes, risky yes (Pichu for ex.), but would it be a fighting style that can work in such a fast paced fighting game? I doubt it. In my opinion, I see no advantages for this character if 2 of his special attacks are used for the purpose to boost up one special attack that won't even be that capable of turning the tables in a fight.

Honestly, im starting to run low on ideas for the Down special. I only came up with two. One is the Concrete Barrier (defensive) and the other is Wheelie Dounut (offensive). I see no benefit with the Cool Down move, but I cant complain about the character really since I am pleased with the rest of his move set.

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Don't like the playstyle? Don't play as the character.

Some people like a challenge, and if Excitebiker has a gimmick that can be challenging to the player, then those who like challenges will be happy.
There are literally 79 other selectable characters beside Excitebiker, so if you don't like his style, pick someone else.

[DGN]

Aug 23, 2011 18:38:51 GMT -5 GoldenYuiitusin said:

Some people like a challenge, and if Excitebiker has a gimmick that can be challenging to the player, then those who like challenges will be happy.

Not to mention it would be VERY interesting to see how the CPU would execute him.