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Post by -Dr.MarioX- on Feb 13, 2011 9:08:07 GMT -5
We have a way we grade characters now to see if they're good enough for Crusade. Phantom showed it to me, so consider this grading tool whenever you have a character idea.
Representation- Think about what games they come from. Were they good games? Did you enjoy those games? You'll be reminded of those games when playing the character.
Popularity- How many gamers know this character? Are they popular even to non-gamers?
Moveset Potential- What would their moves be? How many move possibilities do they have?
Uniqueness- Are they different from everyone else? Are they a clone or not?
You grade them on an Out of 5 scale with 5 being best. Once you've given a score for each category, you add them up and multiply the number by 5. Here's an example:
Frank West (Actual Score by Phantom and I)
Representation- 5 Dead Rising is one of the best new franchises of the 2000's and there's only one of its kind.
Popularity- 5 After Tatsunoko Vs Capcom and Dead Rising 2, Frank West became a beyond popular video game character.
Moveset Potential- 5 Frank West could use over 250 objects as a weapon in just the first Dead Rising. His appearance in TvC gave him more moves as well.
Uniqueness- 5 He's a funny photojournalist who fights Zombies with any object he can find. No one else is like him.
Added Together: 20
Final Score: 100%
Frank West would be a perfect choice for SSBC. Phantom gave him this score too.
Try some other characters if you want!
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Post by PartisanDaw on Feb 13, 2011 10:13:10 GMT -5
Cammy Representation- 4,5 C'mon guys,Street Fighter 4. That's all! Popularity- 4 Hey,shes nice,strong and hawt(lol).Many of us would like her! Moveset Potential- 5 In SF4 she had a lot of moves and few of them where AwesomE! Ultras  And SF3 - Beast newcomer! Uniqueness - 5 she have some nice Kick and leg based attacks.Isn't that enough? Score:19,5 (Thats my try,lol) |
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Post by DGN on Feb 13, 2011 10:29:56 GMT -5
Not to blow your bubble, but:
Representation: 2. There's already a Street Fighter rep, and a more popular one would be Chun-li.
Popularity: I can't judge this. But by an image I saw, I'm pretty disgusted by her. legs.
moveset potential: I can't judge this either.
Uniqueness: Kick and leg based attacks are more common on Chun.
Arthur
Representation: 3:Coming from the hardest video game ever, I assume a lot of hardcore gamers that beat his game would want to show their skills. However, there are already almost enough capcom reps.
Popularity: 3.5: Ghosts 'n Goblins has started becoming known as one of the hardest games of all time. However, nongamers wouldn't know him. HOWEVER, if you've played MvC3, you should learn about him. He's also made his way to easier games.
Moveset potential: 5: Arthur uses a ton of different weapons throughout his games. Plus, if he gets gold armor, these become levelled up, and he also can do magic. Plus, MvC3 would give him some more close-up moves.
Uniqueness: 2.5: He's a knight, but he can control magic. Although persistent to save his princess.
Final Score: 14
I'll do quote later.
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Post by danick on Feb 13, 2011 11:09:42 GMT -5
ZERO
Representation: (4) one of the most beloved characters from Megaman series
Popularity: (5) won a game so it not to mention his participation in it of tvc and mvc3
Moveset Potential: (5) He has several abilities with his sword and his buster
Uniqueness: (4) their skills are unique
Total: 18 POINTS
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Post by Dettadeus on Feb 13, 2011 11:28:02 GMT -5
Zoroark:
Representation: 4.5 Representing the Fifth generation of Pokemon, but would be, what, a 7th pokemon rep?
Popularity: 5 Yeah, just look at that thread.
Moveset Potential: 5 Wide variety of 5th gen moves to choose from and a movie to base from.
Uniqueness: 4 She seems a lot like Lucario in some ways, but the gameplay could be entirely different.
Total: 18.5
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Post by DGN on Feb 13, 2011 14:09:47 GMT -5
Quote:
Representation: Representing the best freeware game, and one of the best games of all time? HECKS YES. 5.
Popularity: If you check wiiware, or go on a lot of gaming websites, and keep informed on freeware, then you should know him. nongamers, through wiiware, but IDK. 4.
Moveset Potential: He has great capabilities for specials, but considering neutral moves, all he has is a sword which he doesn't even use close range. 3.
Uniqueness: Seems similar to MegaMan in what he is, but if you don't know them at all, they don't seem similar whatsoever, and they're gameplay would be different. 4
Overall: 16
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Post by Dettadeus on Feb 13, 2011 14:20:11 GMT -5
Quote: Representation: Representing the best freeware game, and one of the best games of all time? HECKS YES. 5. Popularity: If you check wiiware, or go on a lot of gaming websites, and keep informed on freeware, then you should know him. nongamers, through wiiware, but IDK. 4. Moveset Potential: He has great capabilities for specials, but considering neutral moves, all he has is a sword which he doesn't even use close range. 3. Uniqueness: Seems similar to MegaMan in what he is, but if you don't know them at all, they don't seem similar whatsoever, and they're gameplay would be different. 4 Overall: 16 Couple of incorrect things here, IMO: "Representation: Representing the best freeware game, and one of the best games of all time? HECKS YES. 5." Best shootem-up platformer game, not necessarily best game. Definitely best freeware game. "Popularity: If you check wiiware, or go on a lot of gaming websites, and keep informed on freeware, then you should know him. nongamers, through wiiware, but IDK. 4." What nongamers would be playing crusade? I think it's a 5. "Moveset Potential: He has great capabilities for specials, but considering neutral moves, all he has is a sword which he doesn't even use close range. 3." Just you watch me fix up a moveset for him. Including pistol-whipping with the polar star. And other awesome stuff. 4. "Uniqueness: Seems similar to MegaMan in what he is, but if you don't know them at all, they don't seem similar whatsoever, and they're gameplay would be different. 4" He's quote. I can't say much else. There's literally no other game like Cave Story. And just imagine if it was a Quote/Curly pair. I don't care if Phantom says he doesn't like pair characters, it's the same concept as Pokemon Trainer but with one less switch. 5. So now we have a 19. |
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Post by DGN on Feb 13, 2011 14:26:32 GMT -5
He honestly deserves a 19.
But:
Yeah. That was from indie brawl. a game made up of characters from indie games like CS.
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Post by Dettadeus on Feb 13, 2011 14:33:36 GMT -5
Well, we haven't asked. Maybe if we get enough people who want Quote and Curly then Phantom or Falcon will ask Nicalis. Misery could be a cool character too.
Just for the heck of it, and to prove my point:
The Ancient Minister:
Representation: He represents Brawl, and the Smash Bros series in general, as he's the only smash bros original character besides the hands. 5.
Popularity: He's the most supported suggested character on the forum at this point. 5.
Moveset Potential: Shares a couple moves with R.O.B., but has a great moveset other than that, especially his final smash. 4.
Uniqueness: Potential alt-outfit for R.O.B., but has a very different playstyle due to the moveset differences I made to make sure he's unique. 4.
Oh look, an 18. Not half bad.
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Post by StayPuft on Feb 13, 2011 17:17:17 GMT -5
By popularity I think DMX means the gaming community as a whole (the millions of them). Not just this one forum. But I could be wrong-o.
I shall do a character that I'm gonna post a moveset for later... or somethin'.
Character: Shantae
Representation: Shantae is known as one of the best Game Boy Color games out there, though due to it's release date it was shortly forgotten. It's sequel for DSiWare is one of the most popular DSiWare exclusive games. 5.
Popularity: Like I said, not many people know because her game was forgotten just because of it's release date. DSiWare made her slightly more popular, I would think. I'd say 2 or 3. Leaning towards 3. Not happy to give this score.
Moveset Potential: Shantae has access to many different types of magic in her games, including fire, thunderclouds, spikes, and more. She also has the ability to use the power of DANCE to turn into multiple different animal/animal-like forms. Can also whip people with her long ponytail. I'd say a 4 or possibly 5. Though a 4 since she doesn't really have anything that would make a good final smash... (That is, I haven't found one yet)...
Uniqueness: Shantae is a female protagonist (already something different there) who is a half-genie (even more, yesh), who can use magic (uh, nothing special here...) to hurt people. Has a cool and awesome personality. I would say 5.
Overall: 17. Pretty good for a character who most of the gaming world has no idea exists.
Know what, another.
Crash Bandicoot
Representation: The Crash games were amazing. So amazing that when they first came out they rivaled MARIO. Most of his games, even the ones Naughty Dog didn't make, were pretty enjoyable. Only ones that weren't were the new ones, they replaced a lot of the stuff that makes Crash, well, Crash, with attempts at humor. Some was funny, I will say. But overall... the new games are meh, but are overshadowed by their predecessors. I'm saying a 5.
Popularity: Crash is pretty well known in the gaming world. Granted he isn't as known as much as Mario or Sonic, but he is pretty well known. I'd like to say a 5, but I'm gonna give him a 4.
Moveset Potential: Crash should take a 5 in this category because of the ability to use a BAZOOKA in Crash 3, but I'll elaborate a bit more. Crash can spin attack (not that original, but it is his signature move, and I think the "Spin Attack" move got popular because of this series, you never saw it in Mario before Crash... or maybe you did, I don't follow Mario as much as others). Crash has also ridden polar bears, used jet packs, helicopter packs, flown on flying carpets, piloted submarines, scuba-dived, used a motorcycle, and much more. I would say 5, no?
Uniqueness: Crash is a genetically enhanced bandicoot marsupial who was impervious to a brain-washing machine that would have otherwise made him evil. He originally went on a journey to save his girlfriend from the evil scientist Dr. Neo Cortex, and has kept stopping him ever since. The basic concept is sorta un-original, though the scenarios Crash goes through and all the items Crash can use are pretty cool and somewhat original. I'm not sure what to give, though since I'm modest I'm giving him a 4.
Overall, it's an 18. Pretty solid. If I weren't as modest about characters I'd probably have given him a 20.
Also, DMX, I wouldn't have given Frank a 20. I'd have given him a 19 or a 19.5, since fighting zombies isn't anything new.
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Post by DGN on Feb 13, 2011 20:48:00 GMT -5
Dixie Kong:
Representation: Despite already being from DK, she pretty much represents the DKC games. 3
Popularity: Not very high, I don't see any fan-bases, but has appeared several times in DK and Mario Spin-offs. 3.5
Moveset potential: Small monkey. Likely to do small monkey things, but diddy's already covered. Though she can attack with her hair, and with bubble gum. 3.5
Uniqueness: Female Monkey, but at that is female, which smash needs more of. 3
Aw, 13.
K.Rool:
Representation: The DK series, though is a major villain. 3
Popularity: has been requested several times for smash games in rosters, and is in many different spin-offs. 4
Moveset Potential: He's a Giant Croccodile, heavyweight, and at that can be a king, a pirate, a boxer, and a scientist. 5
Uniqueness: Gigantic, and as mentioned above, can change what he thinks he is. Plus is a major enemy, which the smash series needs more of, and heavyweight. 4
16
Meh, I'd still perfer Dixie.
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Post by -Dr.MarioX- on Feb 13, 2011 21:21:14 GMT -5
I don't think you guys understand representation. K. Rool would get a five.
It's what games they represent and how good those games were. K. Rool has been in many great games and being the main villain of DK makes it even better.
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Post by falcon8r on Feb 14, 2011 23:59:57 GMT -5
Moveset Potential: Shantae has access to many different types of magic in her games, including fire, thunderclouds, spikes, and more. She also has the ability to use the power of DANCE to turn into multiple different animal/animal-like forms. Can also whip people with her long ponytail. I'd say a 4 or possibly 5. Though a 4 since she doesn't really have anything that would make a good final smash... (That is, I haven't found one yet)... Oh, don't worry, we can come up with something. I actually really like Shantae and can't believe we overlooked her. |
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Post by -Dr.MarioX- on Feb 15, 2011 6:57:55 GMT -5
Oh, we didn't. We're considering her now. ;]
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Post by StayPuft on Feb 15, 2011 20:29:32 GMT -5
You are?
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...no ****, of course.
Though I did create a specials moveset for her, with the exception of a Final Smash.
This inspires me to create a topic in the suggestions board, I wasn't going to, but now... hurrhurrhurrhurr
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Post by DGN on Feb 15, 2011 20:36:06 GMT -5
My personal thoughts of the minister:
Representation: He represents the smash universe, the game we're playing, and poses a great role to the story of smash in general. 5
Popularity: Everybody playing smash knows him, and everybody playing this game has played smash. 5
Moveset Potential: Already one finished, which has one of the most unique ideas for a character to not be similar to Rob. PLUS, he uses enemies as attacks(though putting in Primids would've been interesting). 5
Uniqueness: He's a robot in disguise within a uniquely designed robe, 5
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Post by Dettadeus on Feb 15, 2011 20:41:30 GMT -5
DGN: Yeah, slight problem though. I'm sure Phantom won't mind me posting this as well, since he gave me permission for the other one. This was after Falcon tried discussing with him: Also: He hates primids, and it would be kind of awkward having a primid attack G&W. Well, granted, we're allowing for the possibility of R.O.B.s attacking R.O.B.s, but that's less of an issue.
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Post by DGN on Feb 15, 2011 21:08:30 GMT -5
To unite VIDEO GAME characters. Explain Goku.
Why should it have a rep that represents itself? They have created a broad range of creative, smash-y characters that many people have enjoyed so much to play as within hacks, sprite mods, etc. They also count as another nintendo character to fight against other people, and the story of subspace is a story of a game that deserves to be represented.
For the record, the gray rob is going to be the one playable. The japanese rob is the ancient minister, and he doesn't appear to be there. The point of him being there with ROB already there is because he can be very diverse in most of his moveset, using Kunais, and just looking at Detta's moveset brings a creative aspect that proves to not be clone-y. And I'm totally against it, but the final smash could change throughout: After ROBS final smash, he puts on his cloak, after AM's fs, he loses the robes in the explosion.
I heard that ROB would have a very little change in moveset. Part of his moveset (normal special and up special, side special kinda) is already supposed to be as if he's from subspace. Heck the toy couldn't spew jets out of his base. That would take away the Forward Smash, Up Smash, Up throw, back air, normal air, down air, and final smash.
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Post by Dettadeus on Feb 15, 2011 21:18:16 GMT -5
To unite VIDEO GAME characters. Explain Goku.TO PROTECT NINTENDO FROM DEVESTATION! TO UNITE ALL VIDEO GAME CHARACTERS WITHIN OUR NATION! Anyways; I'm gonna try not to continue more minister discussion here since that's what I made a thread for. Oh yeah, and I think Goku's in (as the only 4th party) because he's been in a huge number of video games anyways. On topic: WEREKILL! Representation: The devs. 5ish. Popularity: Not exactly sure. I'll give him a 4. Moveset potential: Each of his attacks transforms him into a different anime girl. Hey look: near infinite moveset. 5+ Uniqueness: 5. 'Nuff said. Oh look, about a 19. |
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Post by DGN on Feb 15, 2011 22:01:18 GMT -5
NiGHTS:
Representation: Another sega rep. Personally, I think if we have 3 or 4 reps of capcom from different games, there should be a 3rd non-sonic sega rep. I think 4
Popularity: Not sure. 3
Moveset potential: He has magic, can fly, is practically an acrobatic for plenty of moves, fly's though hoops, which could be used for battle, has little egg creatures, I believe can possess poeple. Don't reject what you think of just flying. 4
uniqueness: a purple jester with sparkly eyes that can air play flute, actually play it, of a curious gender, and I believe can possess humans. 4
Overall: 15. Could deserve more.
Balloon Fighter:
Representation: Another NES character, which has said to bring nostalgia to many old-school gamers. 5
Popularity: Not sure, but I'm pretty usre was one of the most popular NES games and has many fangames. 5
Moveset Potential: Can float, use balloons to attack, can get one of those enemies beaks to stab, use flippers, and TEH FISSEH. 4
Uniqueness: Mario in inverse colors with ballooons...but has a very different moveset. 4
Overall: 18
Might do Sketch Turner and Vectorman sometime.
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