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Post by Dettadeus on May 27, 2011 19:20:48 GMT -5
I feel like Jiggs would be closer to 40-60 or 45-55 with Goku because she's so easy to kill, especially from a Kamehameha or smash attack.
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Post by DGN on May 27, 2011 19:47:35 GMT -5
What? Amaterasu? Also, the only ones I can think of are MK, Jiggs and Kirby. I think the amaterasu thing was meant as a joke. Ristar can Duck underneath. Maybe Fox. Not sure about Mario. |
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Post by Dettadeus on May 27, 2011 19:52:25 GMT -5
Why would Fox have to duck underneath? He has a Reflector Shield. XD
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Post by DGN on May 27, 2011 19:56:42 GMT -5
Fox's reflector can't reflect every single thing thrown or shot at him. I.E: Snake's projectiles, items, etc.
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Post by Felipe_9595 on May 27, 2011 19:57:51 GMT -5
i am going to post a Video guide of fox and some AT that he haves (and how to use them XD)
btw, gonna upload a video of Goku Vs Snake
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Post by ensane on May 27, 2011 21:56:22 GMT -5
Fox's reflector can't reflect every single thing thrown or shot at him. I.E: Snake's projectiles, items, etc. But in the context of Goku, he can reflect everything. |
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Post by Felipe_9595 on May 27, 2011 23:22:50 GMT -5
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV3WNvHXrhg
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Post by Zeldasmash on May 28, 2011 11:09:10 GMT -5
Dang. Fox can kill Goku like he was nothing.
And another thing, I have no idea why i put Toad in Mid Tier. Toad is not easy for Goku either.
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Post by El Maiz on May 28, 2011 11:57:20 GMT -5
One matchup does not make or break a character.
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Post by Zeldasmash on May 28, 2011 12:09:07 GMT -5
Toad is fast, has an amazing recovery, great kill power, a great air game and ground game, can chain grab can duck most projectiles, including Goku's Ki Blast.
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Post by El Maiz on May 28, 2011 13:06:44 GMT -5
I know that Toad is beast, I main him.
I'm just saying that one matchup does not make a character drastically better or worse.
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Post by Zeldasmash on May 28, 2011 13:15:16 GMT -5
I know,, just saying.
Next tier list will feature Toad in the high tier (that is if i am able to do one before 0.7 comes out)
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Post by ensane on May 28, 2011 14:28:58 GMT -5
I wouldn't bother. There'd be no time to refine it and no point anyway.
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Post by Zeldasmash on May 30, 2011 14:42:35 GMT -5
SS Tier
1.Goku
2.Krystal
S Tier
3.Bomberman
4.Meta Knight
5.Fox
6.Ryu/Evil Ryu
A Tier
7.Saki
8.Toon Link
9.Ristar
10.Toad
11.Mach Rider
12.Tails
B Tier
13.Link
14.Jigglypuff
15.Lucario
C Tier
16.ZSS
17.Waluigi
18.Mario
19.C.Falcon
20.Luigi
21.Knuckles
22.Sonic
23.Mewtwo
24.Samus
D Tier
25.Pikachu
26.Lucas
27.Ness
E Tier
28.Megaman
29.Peach
30.Wario
F Tier
31.Kirby
32.Snake
33.Yoshi
Opinioned: Decided to include Mewtwo despite not being in the game yet
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Post by PartisanDaw on May 31, 2011 10:55:40 GMT -5
Ryu/Evil Ryu before Saki?
Sir,you made a mistake.
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Post by Zeldasmash on May 31, 2011 16:35:29 GMT -5
Ryu is, i hope no one will be offended by this word, a "nerfed" version of Goku. Ryu can do many things Goku can, but he is just to slow in those methods. Fox can easily reflect his Hadouken and get close range with Ryu where Fox can do whatever he wants. Meta Knight is too fast and can easily close range by using Dimensional Cape to get to Ryu. Ryu does not have anything to deal with those things.
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Post by DGN on May 31, 2011 16:49:27 GMT -5
IMO, the only really dangerous things are his specials...especially Hadouken, since you can't duck under it.
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Post by ensane on May 31, 2011 17:57:32 GMT -5
What's so bad about Hadouken for any character? All you have to do is jump. When you get too close the spam stops because it's no longer safe for Ryu.
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Post by dry on Jul 8, 2011 2:51:57 GMT -5
Wow, I haven't been here in ages. You guys came up with a tier list, huh? Sweet. Two things: What's with Snake's tier position? I barely see any difference between him and Brawl Snake, who's 2nd on the list (ok, he will be lower on the new one, but he will still be in the top 5). His C4 and mines give him amazing stage control, his grenades are incredible for camping, and his tilts are still more powerful than some characters' smash attacks. His only flaw in Brawl was his air game... unless staying in the air suddenly became a lot more important in Crusade, I don't think he should be that low on the list. Plus, I noticed that his frame actually became smaller than in Brawl, making him even harder to hit. This gives him slightly less range, which he makes up for with his projectiles anyway. Also, his up special seems to have more super armour frames to it; in Brawl, a single weak attack knocked him out of it, but now it seems to take more than one aerial to stop him. And considering that he has one of the worst recoveries in Brawl (one of... I'm not saying Link or Falcon can recover better XD), if his recovery has become harder to stop, he should definitely be higher on the list. The other thing is with Final Smashes. Don't you guys find it hilariously easy to dodge each and every final smash? A sidestep or dodge gets past the trapping ones, some ledge camping gets past the transformations, and jumping about just gets past the directional ones. In the past month I've had one problem with Kirby's final smash, and the rest were all cake. So I think Final Smashes being on the competitive scene would be fine, because in reality, none of them are hard to dodge. Rant done  |
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Post by El Maiz on Jul 8, 2011 8:21:26 GMT -5
I don't really think Snake is that good. A lot of it is because his grenades were nerfed. A lot.
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