Official v2 Tier List Crusade 0.6

[Chaotic Chao]

Y'know, I always found the dair hard to do because pressing down in Crusade always makes you fall faster, sometimes without you wanting to.

I'm not sure exactly where Jigglypuff should be at this point. I haven't heard a single con of her. Only pros. Pros, pros, and more pros.

[Felipe_9595]

you press down one time and elt it go, thats how i do it.

[Dettadeus]

No. No he isn't. And in any case, guess what I just figured out?
Most of Fox's combos don't apply to Jigglypuff because she's too light.
You can also do a D-Air -> U-tilt combo with Jigglypuff but it's slightly less effective than with Fox.
Not a single one of Fox's ground attacks can hit through rest (not counting the blaster). I also recently figured out that Sing can hit through shields. For example: I use Sing, Fox shields it and I move out of the way, he falls asleep when he comes out of his shield despite being out of range. Interesting little tid-bit.
EDIT: Better yet, I was wrong. It hits THROUGH shields.

Ice Link: You want cons? She's light, easy to kill, has insanely short range, her best attack is also her worst to miss with and easiest to punish, etc. etc. etc.

[Felipe_9595]

Sing starting lag makes it unusable. you can jump and dair him.

i will try the combos agayns jiggly xD

hey guys a question, who you think is better wario or jiggly

EDIT: okay, i modified a little bit the list, wait for the screenshot xD

EDIT 2: Should we consider the infinites?? (waluigi lucas and luigi would rise a lot fiw e consider that)

[Chaotic Chao]

The last con seems easy to cope with if you're really good with her (I'm good with it in melee and Brawl, but it's harder in Crusade for the same reason why I think dair-ing is difficult).
Also if her damage is high she can just go to the side of the stage with no CPUs and heal until some CPU gets knocked over there.

But yeah, her range is annoyingly short.

And I've never played as Wario so I have no idea. =p

[Dettadeus]

Wario v Jiggs I'd say Wario is better just because he has a usable recovery move, super armor on a number of attacks, and won't just die if you smash him.

EDIT: Lolwut I just killed Fox using Jiggs' D-air the same way you would with Fox. That was insanely satisfying.

EDIT AGAIN: F-YES. POUND BEATS FOX'S D-AIR. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

[Felipe_9595]

Drills FTW (poor kirby, he have melee dair XD)



EDIT: Sadly, we cannot do Specials out of shields (A la brawl/melee/64), fox dairs come faster

[Chaotic Chao]

Maybe we should start talking about Knuckles's and Link's places now. =p I still think they're both too low.

I'm glad you listened to me about Ness though.

[Felipe_9595]

ness doesnt have nothing, lucas have an infinite and slope sliding.

The problem with link is his poor spacing and his bad recovery :/ Knucles have a good recovery but..... he is too slow.

[Dettadeus]

Also, Jiggs' U-Air can trade hits with or beat Fox's D-air.

[Felipe_9595]

jiggs utilt beats fox dair, but not nair.

EDIT: Is that lsit mroe accurate now no?

[Chaotic Chao]

Knuckles's slow moves can be put to good use as long as you correctly approach your opponent. Not to mention his extremely powerful down special. His regular movement speed is also really useful.

Link's hidden skills are very strong and do a lot of damage. The only problem is that they're slow. And his range is amazing.

[Felipe_9595]

link range was heavily cut down, he doesnt have his boomerang now, he was fucked hard. In the other hand Young Link have a great (and infinite XD) recovery, amazing range and 3 projectiles. 3. Also his upb is a great edgeguard move, almost too broken to be true.

[DGN]

Ristar? AT 22? No.
First off lack ofko moves? Fsmash, usmash, dsmash, fspecial, dspecial, nair, fair, bair.FAR FROM SMALL.
Speed? Fspecial brings you far and he is a primarily air fighter anyways.
Added to that, he has one of te best recoveriesin the game and wonderful range.

Id addmore but im typing on my crappy slow idroidpad.

[Felipe_9595]

none of hsi aerials is strong enought to kill. All of hsi smashes are too slow to be efective. he simple lacks of a killer move.

On other news, Fox recovery is totally broken He is totally UNVULNERABLE WHILE HE CHARGES FIRE FOX (He get the damage but not the hitsun, something like snake upb)

[Dettadeus]

Oh hey, you cursed and censor dodged. I can ban you for that considering your infraction level, but I'm giving you a warning.
Seriously, Felipe, be careful about that sort of stuff. There are other words for a reason.

Anyways, I've found that Fox is actually not that difficult to beat in comparison to Broku (yes that is his official name now. Broken + Goku = Broku). Especially as Jiggs and Krystal.

[DGN]

Too slow? You use it while waiting for your opponent to cometo you and it immediately strikes after charging.

Fair is fast and has great knockback and so does the second hit of the bair.

[Felipe_9595]

Sorry, forgot about that ( I am used to play epicmafia, sorry xP)

For me, fox is harder than goku. At least goku is predictable. Fox does some crazy thing from nowhere. I daired him and he powershield>shine> dtrown> upsmash o-o

Also, fox is not gimpable, while he charges his firefox he doesnt receive hitstun, so, if someone try to edgeguard him, he just need to do an up b to get back safe to the stage.

[Dettadeus]

Yes, but if he misses the ledge and has to recover onto the stage you can just smack him right back off. If Fox is in a helpless state when he gets back onto the stage, there's nothing stopping his opponent from hitting him back off or just killing him. Jiggs is a perfect example with Sing and Rest. You're helpless? No, you're dead. Similar situation with Krystal and her D-Special -> F-Smash.

[Felipe_9595]

the idea is aim to the ledge, and if youa re close enought to the stage, you can trow yourself to the floor, when you bounce you can move again. Also, he can sue side b to recover. Fox cannot be gimped easily, metaknight can do this only (With look)

Imo, Jiggly Vs fox Matchup is 45:55. Same for meta vs fox, 45:55