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Post by Kyle on Sept 27, 2011 17:24:15 GMT -5
Voted yes.
Project C will revolutionize.
BWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!~
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Post by Dettadeus on Sept 27, 2011 17:33:33 GMT -5
Then why not make a "balanced" version of every update I release? I don't plan on keeping many secrets either, but my roster is going to be Crusade's current roster with very minimal changes. You on the other hand don't know the roster at all. We'd be making two different games under nearly the same name.
And you're not much better, attitude-wise. You're asking me (and many others) to trust you and an unknown person with the development of a balanced version of this game, as well as additional content, over the tester and a very well-known member and sub-dev who was already OK'd to continue the game after it's completion. lrn2logic.
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Post by The 85. on Sept 27, 2011 17:41:37 GMT -5
Okay, stop fighting.
What about, then it comes open, work on it as a team. Because really, a programmer needs spriters, and spriters need a programmer.
I really hate seeing these fights with lots of cursing. But continue if you want, I'm not going to be part of this.
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Post by Excalibur on Sept 27, 2011 17:42:15 GMT -5
Then why not make a "balanced" version of every update I release? I don't plan on keeping many secrets either, but my roster is going to be Crusade's current roster with very minimal changes. You on the other hand don't know the roster at all. We'd be making two different games under nearly the same name. And you're not much better, attitude-wise. You're asking me (and many others) to trust you and an unknown person with the development of a balanced version of this game, as well as additional content, over the tester and a very well-known member and sub-dev who was already OK'd to continue the game after it's completion. lrn2logic. >Implying there will be secrets kept from people anyway, I don't plan on keeping ANY secrets, so that they know what they're in for so people can help decide on what's better, to prevent any undesired surprises. *sigh* Here we go again: Do I have to repeat myself? You're saying only me and my other friend here are the only ones being supposedly trusted on this. I'm not attracting all the attention to myself like you are. I'm trying to help make this better for everyone, such as keeping the Crusade roster for example, exactly the way it is isn't pleasing everyone in the community. Plus, what is the problem with me starting another forum? It's not like you control the mainstream community. I just said I was going to help start that forum in case anyone wanted to join, I never implied in the first place my forum would be the only one. Because honestly, you can do whatever the hell you want, no one's stopping you, but no one's stopping me either. The people should decide by themselves who's forum to join, or both, etc. And since you're mostly going to make very minimal changes to help balance Crusade better, there's going to be many beneficial changes to the version we will make. (I'll explain later.) You keep repeating the fact that only we will get trusted, but you haven't taken in the fact that we will act mostly upon democracy, so we don't have full control of the game. Everyone will input their bit. Lrn2interpret. EDIT: As a matter of fact, you haven't been doing the greatest job as a tester, imo. Since you are supposedly in charge of "balance", of which I don't see much in it. Like really, stop acting all high and mighty, because you're not, it's a piss-off. You're acting as if your job is extremely complex that there are barely enough people to know how to do it. Anyone that is dedicated enough can sprite, and code ESPECIALLY in GM. Hell, I have many more people willing to help with these kinds of things for the game too. |
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Post by Dettadeus on Sept 27, 2011 17:56:26 GMT -5
If the game isn't going to be an exact continuation of the current version, then call it something other than Project: C. Like Project: S, for Smash.
I never said I wasn't making changes to the character physics and such, just the ROSTER. And he changes I'm making are through popular demand.
I'd be posting more but I'm on my iPod in a tutoring session. Can we put his on hold for an hour?
Edit: oh wow, good idea flaming a mod.
My job was to bug test, not balance test. Just to clarify.
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Post by Excalibur on Sept 27, 2011 18:05:27 GMT -5
If the game isn't going to be an exact continuation of the current version, then call it something other than Project: C. Like Project: S, for Smash. I never said I wasn't making changes to the character physics and such, just the ROSTER. And he changes I'm making are through popular demand. I'd be posting more but I'm on my iPod in a tutoring session. Can we put his on hold for an hour? Edit: oh wow, good idea flaming a mod.My job was to bug test, not balance test. Just to clarify. I only respect those who deserve it, you clearly don't acting like you're the best thing since canned bread, a rank shouldn't earn you auto-respect. Respect is a two-way road. Because with that thought, you're thinking saying "some guy who doesn't go on the forum" isn't insulting, which it clearly is since I am part of the community, and I have been on the forum for a while now. You should have realized by now I'm the type to retaliate. Project C sounds nicer, and fits it better since it's supposed to represent "Crusade 2.0", and you're going by the current one for the most part. So you can just keep the name SSBC, since you just said it's a "direct continuation". Also, people want reasonable roster changes too, so why not change the roster for what the community wants to vote for? Because saying that implies you'll never change the roster no matter what people think. I'll await your longer response now since you're on your iPod anyways. |
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Post by Dettadeus on Sept 27, 2011 19:00:07 GMT -5
In order:
Then don't respect me for being a mod, but DO respect me for all I'm doing and have done for the game. You weren't around when I made my big entrance, but I suggested and sprited a character that became heavily requested and supported (The Ancient Minister), only to be rejected by Phantom and later DMX. After that, Falcon gave me access to early versions of 0.7 so that I could bug-test Gooey (and notice that he's pretty much bug free, and we went through quite a few bugs to get to that point) as well as Classic (which is also, for the most part, bug-free). I didn't get any updates to my test version after April (hence some bugs were left in Classic) and thus couldn't help test OR balance G&W, which is why he's much less balanced and more buggy than Gooey is. I also do LITERALLY ALL of the busywork here on the forum, since I'm now the only very active moderator. I, as well as the rest of the long-standing Crusade community, have gone through much more crap with the devs than you have in your two and a half months here, and a lot of changes happened with my help before you even got here.
Now remind me again what you did to deserve my respect? And who's flaming who here?
When I said "some guy who doesn't go on the forum" I was referring to Red, whom, IIRC, you stated doesn't have an account on this forum.
The roster changes I'd be making are the ones that are heavily demanded by fans, examples being Brawl Pokemon Trainer, Shadow over Metal Sonic, removing a few 3rd parties, etc. I never once said that I wouldn't be making changes to game mechanics and specific characters to make it more balanced, and I never said I wouldn't be making popular changes to the roster.
If the game DOES end up being released as open source, the game "Super Smash Brothers Crusade" will be what is now version 0.7.1. My continuation of it would be called Project: Crusade, because it's a project to allow Crusade to be finished through what would have been version 1.0 and continuing on through CrusaDLC. Go ahead and call yours Project: C, just leave it at C. It can't represent "Crusade 2.0" anyways, since Crusade is hardly making it to 1.0 the way things are going.
So to clarify, you're planning on balancing the game as it is now, then adding more characters according to popular vote? And I'm continuing Crusade from it's current point with minimal (BUT NOT NO) changes to the roster, balancing some characters that heavily need it (Jiggs and Goku are a couple extreme examples from opposite ends of the spectrum), and allowing the game to progress through the planned CrusaDLC's completion.
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Post by The 85. on Sept 27, 2011 19:08:02 GMT -5
Huh, Red does have account. He's Kyle.
Now... *Gets out from here*
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Post by SmashKing201 on Sept 27, 2011 20:07:19 GMT -5
These 2 separate forums don't sound to good to me. This will cause our community to split and it will confuse those who are not even in the community.
I think we should all stay in this forum. Falcon does the programming, and some of us can do our best to assist him on the programming somehow. And the rest of us that have continued to help with the project can sprite, artwork, etc.
As for deciding on characters, everyone can put in their 2 cents and debate on any future characters in the game.
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Post by Dettadeus on Sept 27, 2011 20:17:55 GMT -5
Actually, Excal and I have worked it out. Project: C and Project: Crusade will be the same game. It's just that Excal and the other people he wants to help balance will be balancing the game while I actually make it. Simple enough solution, accomplishes both our goals. It'll also be one forum, of course.
The issue with staying on this forum is that if the devs are seriously giving up, then they still have all the power on this forum. Werekill will still be head admin, all the devs will be able to do anything they want, etc. This could be turned into a general forum for the "open source" version of the game and what would be considered the "complete" version of the game (the current 0.7.1), in which case it would make sense that the devs keep their power. Project: Crusade would essentially be a fan-sequel to the fan-game. Since the discussion of Project: C would be the discussion of the new fan-made continuation with pretty much all the same things we have here, it would need its own forum.
Anyways.
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Post by Excalibur on Sept 27, 2011 20:17:55 GMT -5
These 2 separate forums don't sound to good to me. This will cause our community to split and it will confuse those who are not even in the community. I think we should all stay in this forum. Falcon does the programming, and some of us can do our best to assist him on the programming somehow. And the rest of us that have continued to help with the project can sprite, artwork, etc. As for deciding on characters, everyone can put in their 2 cents and debate on any future characters in the game. Actually, we already talked it out on XAT, come online so that we can tell you. |
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Post by DGN on Sept 27, 2011 20:34:59 GMT -5
All I'm getting out of this is that project C will be like project M.
Which was awful.
OH YEAH. LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND BE COMPETITVE. AND FORCE EVERYBODY ELSE TO BE COMPETITIVE. COMPETITVE FTW. COMPETITIVE.
Yeah, no. I don't approve of either Excalibur nor Det running a forum.
I'm just speaking my word. None of you are worthy.
NONE OF YOU
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Post by StayPuft on Sept 27, 2011 20:44:58 GMT -5
It IS possible to play these so-called "competitive" games casually.
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Post by Dettadeus on Sept 27, 2011 20:45:08 GMT -5
Generic, you can play a competitive game casually. Take Melee, for example. It's not completely competitive, because you can still just play for lulz and do crazy stuff like giant flower 300 stamina light metal matches. MY part of Project: C will be bringing the game to completion so it has its full 80 character roster, all the 60-something stages, all the game modes, online, DLC, that sort of stuff. So it'll be as if the dev team just decided to keep going with Crusade but started listening to the fans more. The main difference is that Excal and his people will be making the game balanced so that, from a competitive standpoint, we won't have everyone playing 4 characters in tournaments.
And Generic, I'm practically running this forum already. And I seem to be doing a fine job.
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on Sept 27, 2011 21:29:08 GMT -5
So in all honesty, it'll be more like Balanced Brawl is to Brawl. Unless you do plan on changing the metagame.
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Post by DGN on Sept 27, 2011 21:29:58 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, have you ever played Project: M?
It's physically impossible to not play competitively. The AI practically force you to combo.
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Post by Dettadeus on Sept 27, 2011 21:47:19 GMT -5
@golden: That's a question for Excal, since it's his part, so I'm not going to answer it. DGN: That's the AI, which I don't think is going to change due to (probably) being much too complex. Remember that thing called Online Mode? You can have fun matches with friends online and IRL. |
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Post by EWJim4Crusade on Sept 27, 2011 21:58:32 GMT -5
Something tells me I came back at the wrong time...
But I voted Yes nevertheless...
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Post by GoldenYuiitusin on Sept 27, 2011 23:54:06 GMT -5
Who do you think is better fit to continue Crusade, the tester and would-be programmer/spriter of DLC or the guy that found the game two months ago and someone who isn't even on the forum? And I already made a forum so sucks for you. In any case, I'm still waiting to hear from Falcon on this. >Implying everyone will join it again. Listen here, no need to have the attitude you asshole, acting like you're the ****. What I'm saying is, EVERYONE helps in some way or another to continue the game. Have I ever said I was continuing the game myself? No. Why the heck do you think I said "no secrets", hmm? As in everyone will know what we, the new devs and old devs that stay are doing to help share their opinion and any help they provide to make the game better. Lrn2read, dumbass. Swearing is not allowed on the main forums, and Detta IS a mod.... So who's the "dumbass" here? Lol |
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Post by Dettadeus on Sept 28, 2011 0:00:05 GMT -5
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