My Final SSB4 Roster

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Well, I've got my Final Roster finished, but there's a catch; there are TWO of them!
Both are the same, except the 1st has more characters, while the 2nd is limited to 56 characters. I find the 2nd one better, IMO, despite it not having Shadow like the 1st. It's more realistic, and I've been able to make a full CSS placement for them, as well as decide who's unlockable and who's not.

Full:


Abridged:



I may like the Abridged better, but what do you all think?

[El Maiz]

56 is a bit much.

Look at MVC2, the balance is abysmal.
Brawl has only 37 characters, and it's already broken.

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Character size had nothing to do with that.
It was the rushing in order to shut the impatient fans up and the focus of the SSE that made imbalances.

[El Maiz]

I'm saying that adding more characters will make it even harder to balance.

And there will be more impatient fans, and more impatient, because they announced it so early.

[GoldenYuiitusin]

I really think 56 can be pulled off with limited balance issues.
As long as something like the SSE isn't made again.

[SmashKing201]

Well, might as well be the 1st ;D

I will just express the characters I disagree on or question.

1st roster

Though he had his own spot on the roster in Melee, I would still prefer him being an alternate only if the Fireballs can be changed to Megavitamins. If not I would not want him back simply because I personally can't stand seeing an alternate take up a roster slot rather than a more unique character with his or her own identity. But that is just a personal dislike for me.

Girahim I will have to say No to. I like what the character brings so far from what I know. But here is one problem. Both Melee & Brawl came out not too long after Majora's Mask & Twilight Princess. Melee after Majora & Brawl after Twilight. Skull Kid was a favorite to get into Melee after Majora's Mask was out, yet he didn't get into Melee. Midna was a favorite to get into Brawl after Twilight Princess was, yet she didn't get into Brawl. With SSB4, what are the chances of Girahim (a new character from LOZ) ever being playable if Skull Kid & Midna didn't get into the previous Smash games after their games were released? I think Girahim will just suffer the same way Skull Kid & Midna did by not being playable in Smash.

I keep forgetting her name, but that girl who is suppose to rep the Metroid series doesn't feel like is a good choice. Even though she represents the humanoid version of Mother Brain, this human form is not the best way to represent Mother Brain since the original version is the one that fans recognize most rather than the human form. Plus this is the human form's 1st game. If Anthony Higgs who is more popular than her and debuted in the same game can't be playable, then why her?

Not sure what to say about Bandana Dee. Sure there has been a number of fans who wanted Waddle Dee playable, and I must say this is probably the best way to represent Waddle Dee to be playable since DDD already uses him. I just feel that the 3 we have now is fine and a 4th is not needed until we can get a more important and recurring character.

As for the Pokemon reps. My only issue is no Meowth. I know we had this discussion a number of times. I think Plusle & Minun have run their course and were not as popular as most of the many main Pokemon. Even Sakurai acknowledges that Meowth is a major and popular Pokemon. I hope your not letting that one source change your mind about Meowth because before you fully supported this character. Just saying ;D

I like Medusa and all and feel that she would make a great rep for the Kid Icarus series, but I figured that Pelutena would come in before her.

I understand that the Wario series have been successful on it's own since breaking away from the Mario series, I don't think the series is ready for 2 reps, or even one. I personally would go for more misc. characters. Maybe Starfy, Tom Nook (though I know your opinion on an AC rep), Advance Wars rep, Shulk from Xenoblade (possibly not cause they are yet to have an American release, but at the same time Monolith Soft help develop Brawl and deserves at least 1 rep and they are 1st party), or even save a spot for the New Nintendo Franchise Miyamoto is working on.

I don't see why Sonic gets a 2nd rep, yet Snake who got into Brawl 1st doesn't

I have no problem with Tingle being playable, but being how he is a spin-off character, I feel that he should be under the Zelda category.

Well, you know how I feel about Takamaru.

I dont mind Lolo & Lala in Smash, but why not use a more better known HAL Laboratory rep like Dr Wright who has appeared in numerous Nintendo franchises.

As for that rat/possum looking character, I know I seen the gameplay before. He uses the rolling attack similar to Sonic's. That is no issue, but is he really a Nintendo character? What is the name of his game again?

Now for that blob looking thing, I dont feel this would be a good rep for whatever 3rd party he comes from.


I will comment on the 2nd roster, but will let you explain your 1st one some more.

[Dettadeus]

inb4goldenchangesitagain

So why is the video for the "abridged" roster longer than the one for the full length one?

[SmashKing201]

Because he gave explanations on the abridged one, which made it a bit longer. I guess.

[El Maiz]

Jun 21, 2011 19:00:35 GMT -5 GoldenYuiitusin said:

I really think 56 can be pulled off with limited balance issues.
As long as something like the SSE isn't made again.

I don't, for several reasons.

1. They couldn't do 37
2. Fans will be very mad if there isn't a large story mode.
3. Fan demand is even HIGHER now, mainly because Brawl created more fans of the series. More fans rushing them to finish it soon.

[Dettadeus]

Jun 21, 2011 19:36:57 GMT -5 SmashKing201 said:

Because he gave explanations on the abridged one, which made it a bit longer. I guess.

I don't see why he wouldn't put explanations on the full roster then.

Anyways, if the abridged roster only had to be below 60, then Krystal could have been included as a 4th Star Fox rep. Even if people believe they're removing her from Star Fox history, she's been in the majority of Star Fox games and is Fox's love interest. You can't really take out such a huge piece of plot and character development that easily without remaking the entire story from square one.

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Jun 21, 2011 19:19:40 GMT -5 SmashKing201 said:

Well, might as well be the 1st ;D

I will just express the characters I disagree on or question.

1st roster

Though he had his own spot on the roster in Melee, I would still prefer him being an alternate only if the Fireballs can be changed to Megavitamins. If not I would not want him back simply because I personally can't stand seeing an alternate take up a roster slot rather than a more unique character with his or her own identity. But that is just a personal dislike for me. This is bias on my part. It's not changing because people fail to realize that Doc's properties are actually different from Mario, and whereas I kicked @$$ with Doc, I can't do the same with Mario.

Girahim I will have to say No to. I like what the character brings so far from what I know. But here is one problem. Both Melee & Brawl came out not too long after Majora's Mask & Twilight Princess. Melee after Majora & Brawl after Twilight. Skull Kid was a favorite to get into Melee after Majora's Mask was out, yet he didn't get into Melee. Midna was a favorite to get into Brawl after Twilight Princess was, yet she didn't get into Brawl. With SSB4, what are the chances of Girahim (a new character from LOZ) ever being playable if Skull Kid & Midna didn't get into the previous Smash games after their games were released? I think Girahim will just suffer the same way Skull Kid & Midna did by not being playable in Smash. At the time of Melee, there was still Zelda and Ganon to deal with. Skull Kid was not important enough. As for Brawl, it is true that Midna didn't make it in, but just because SHE didn't make it in, it doesn't mean Ghirahim won't. The only thing that could stop him is if Ganon is up and about in SS.

I keep forgetting her name, but that girl who is suppose to rep the Metroid series doesn't feel like is a good choice. Even though she represents the humanoid version of Mother Brain, this human form is not the best way to represent Mother Brain since the original version is the one that fans recognize most rather than the human form. Plus this is the human form's 1st game. If Anthony Higgs who is more popular than her and debuted in the same game can't be playable, then why her? The same argument could be said for Ganondorf in Melee, who's only human appearance was in OoT at the time, while he's always been a blue pig in the other games. And Anthony is not a good rep. Adam's a better rep as he could have the same exact moveset, and appeared in Fusion as Samus' computer. But MB trounces both of them by being a humanoid Mother Brain, who's far more important in the storyline.

Not sure what to say about Bandana Dee. Sure there has been a number of fans who wanted Waddle Dee playable, and I must say this is probably the best way to represent Waddle Dee to be playable since DDD already uses him. I just feel that the 3 we have now is fine and a 4th is not needed until we can get a more important and recurring character. In Kirby Wii, there are 4 playable characters. Kirby, Meta Knight, King Dedede, and Bandana Dee. One could argue that Bandana Dee is the same Waddle Dee that appeared in Crystal Shards, just without the bandana. Which would make 4 games he's been in (3 if you don't consider the Waddle Dee in Crystal Shards).

As for the Pokemon reps. My only issue is no Meowth. I know we had this discussion a number of times. I think Plusle & Minun have run their course and were not as popular as most of the many main Pokemon. Even Sakurai acknowledges that Meowth is a major and popular Pokemon. I hope your not letting that one source change your mind about Meowth because before you fully supported this character. Just saying ;D Meowth no longer has any shot. The only thing he had going for him was the alleged 64 rumor. That was the ONLY reason why I had him in the Roster in the first place. And more than likely, a R/S remake will be made before SSB4, so P+M will be relevant again, as well as them being planned for Brawl boosts their chances.

I like Medusa and all and feel that she would make a great rep for the Kid Icarus series, but I figured that Pelutena would come in before her. Palutena has done nothing worthy of playable status, and is fine as part of Pit's FS.

I understand that the Wario series have been successful on it's own since breaking away from the Mario series, I don't think the series is ready for 2 reps, or even one. I personally would go for more misc. characters. Maybe Starfy, Tom Nook (though I know your opinion on an AC rep), Advance Wars rep, Shulk from Xenoblade (possibly not cause they are yet to have an American release, but at the same time Monolith Soft help develop Brawl and deserves at least 1 rep and they are 1st party), or even save a spot for the New Nintendo Franchise Miyamoto is working on. Starfy is hated by Sakurai, and AC is not fighter worthy. This is just bias as well, as the Wario series is one of my favorites.

I don't see why Sonic gets a 2nd rep, yet Snake who got into Brawl 1st doesn't. Snake got in due to his creator begging. Sonic got in due to popular demand. Not only that, but Sonic has done more for Nintendo than Snake. And with the 3rd Mario and Sonic game on the way, it isn't too farfetched to see another Sonic character, and Shadow is the 2nd most popular after Sonic himself.

I have no problem with Tingle being playable, but being how he is a spin-off character, I feel that he should be under the Zelda category. So Yoshi should be a Mario character? His games are spin-offs too.

Well, you know how I feel about Takamaru.

I dont mind Lolo & Lala in Smash, but why not use a more better known HAL Laboratory rep like Dr Wright who has appeared in numerous Nintendo franchises. Where? He's only had one game and the game didn't belong to Nintendo anyway. Dr. Wright was just an exclusive character for the version on a Nintendo system. And seriously; he isn't a fighter. He's fine where he is; as an Assist. As for Lolo, he's one of Sakurai's favorite characters, has had a big series, and is recogniseable as a boss in the Kirby games. He's FAR more known than Wright.

As for that rat/possum looking character, I know I seen the gameplay before. He uses the rolling attack similar to Sonic's. That is no issue, but is he really a Nintendo character? What is the name of his game again? The game is The Rolling Western, and yes, it's a new Nintendo game for 3DSWare. The game is heavily hyped for one, though.

Now for that blob looking thing, I dont feel this would be a good rep for whatever 3rd party he comes from. Really? You don't find Slime, the MASCOT for Dragon Quest who's crossed Mario's path on more than one occasion, a good rep for his series? Do your homework, man. The thing's even got his own games in Dragon Quest Heroes!


I will comment on the 2nd roster, but will let you explain your 1st one some more.

Responses in yellow.

[El Maiz]

Slime represents Square Enix, famous for Kingdom Hearts, Dragon Quest, and Final Fantasy. Sora wouldn't be that great a rep, and Final Fantasy can't hold on to an important character.


I'd say Slime is on similar grounds as Waddle Dee; the most recognizable enemy, and the most common, but has had important roles in various games.

[DGN]

Jun 21, 2011 20:13:26 GMT -5 El Maiz said:

Sora wouldn't be that great a rep,

>:U
Explain your point here.
There ARE much better reps than him, like Slime, but what makes him so bad?
Heck, one of the producers for KH helped with producing music for Brawl.

And I do agree that the second roster, is much, much better. The only problems are that Krystal, and I BELIEVE Bandana Dee aren't on it. Should be obvious why I think they should be in.
And the fact that Lucario's in. Like Pichu, he should be replaced b the gen rep of the game closest to the smash game, which would be Zoroark.


...And where's my caption. :U



And where's porky. :U

[El Maiz]

Is isn't that great a rep because there are better ones. He's already irrelevant.

[DGN]

Of course there are better reps than him.
There are better reps than Slime as well.
Same as Snake.
They're known as "1st parties".

[SmashKing201]

Jun 21, 2011 20:04:52 GMT -5 GoldenYuiitusin said:

Jun 21, 2011 19:19:40 GMT -5 SmashKing201 said:

Well, might as well be the 1st ;D

I will just express the characters I disagree on or question.

1st roster

Though he had his own spot on the roster in Melee, I would still prefer him being an alternate only if the Fireballs can be changed to Megavitamins. If not I would not want him back simply because I personally can't stand seeing an alternate take up a roster slot rather than a more unique character with his or her own identity. But that is just a personal dislike for me. This is bias on my part. It's not changing because people fail to realize that Doc's properties are actually different from Mario, and whereas I kicked @$$ with Doc, I can't do the same with Mario.

Girahim I will have to say No to. I like what the character brings so far from what I know. But here is one problem. Both Melee & Brawl came out not too long after Majora's Mask & Twilight Princess. Melee after Majora & Brawl after Twilight. Skull Kid was a favorite to get into Melee after Majora's Mask was out, yet he didn't get into Melee. Midna was a favorite to get into Brawl after Twilight Princess was, yet she didn't get into Brawl. With SSB4, what are the chances of Girahim (a new character from LOZ) ever being playable if Skull Kid & Midna didn't get into the previous Smash games after their games were released? I think Girahim will just suffer the same way Skull Kid & Midna did by not being playable in Smash. At the time of Melee, there was still Zelda and Ganon to deal with. Skull Kid was not important enough. As for Brawl, it is true that Midna didn't make it in, but just because SHE didn't make it in, it doesn't mean Ghirahim won't. The only thing that could stop him is if Ganon is up and about in SS.

I keep forgetting her name, but that girl who is suppose to rep the Metroid series doesn't feel like is a good choice. Even though she represents the humanoid version of Mother Brain, this human form is not the best way to represent Mother Brain since the original version is the one that fans recognize most rather than the human form. Plus this is the human form's 1st game. If Anthony Higgs who is more popular than her and debuted in the same game can't be playable, then why her? The same argument could be said for Ganondorf in Melee, who's only human appearance was in OoT at the time, while he's always been a blue pig in the other games. And Anthony is not a good rep. Adam's a better rep as he could have the same exact moveset, and appeared in Fusion as Samus' computer. But MB trounces both of them by being a humanoid Mother Brain, who's far more important in the storyline.

Not sure what to say about Bandana Dee. Sure there has been a number of fans who wanted Waddle Dee playable, and I must say this is probably the best way to represent Waddle Dee to be playable since DDD already uses him. I just feel that the 3 we have now is fine and a 4th is not needed until we can get a more important and recurring character. In Kirby Wii, there are 4 playable characters. Kirby, Meta Knight, King Dedede, and Bandana Dee. One could argue that Bandana Dee is the same Waddle Dee that appeared in Crystal Shards, just without the bandana. Which would make 4 games he's been in (3 if you don't consider the Waddle Dee in Crystal Shards).

As for the Pokemon reps. My only issue is no Meowth. I know we had this discussion a number of times. I think Plusle & Minun have run their course and were not as popular as most of the many main Pokemon. Even Sakurai acknowledges that Meowth is a major and popular Pokemon. I hope your not letting that one source change your mind about Meowth because before you fully supported this character. Just saying ;D Meowth no longer has any shot. The only thing he had going for him was the alleged 64 rumor. That was the ONLY reason why I had him in the Roster in the first place. And more than likely, a R/S remake will be made before SSB4, so P+M will be relevant again, as well as them being planned for Brawl boosts their chances.

I like Medusa and all and feel that she would make a great rep for the Kid Icarus series, but I figured that Pelutena would come in before her. Palutena has done nothing worthy of playable status, and is fine as part of Pit's FS.

I understand that the Wario series have been successful on it's own since breaking away from the Mario series, I don't think the series is ready for 2 reps, or even one. I personally would go for more misc. characters. Maybe Starfy, Tom Nook (though I know your opinion on an AC rep), Advance Wars rep, Shulk from Xenoblade (possibly not cause they are yet to have an American release, but at the same time Monolith Soft help develop Brawl and deserves at least 1 rep and they are 1st party), or even save a spot for the New Nintendo Franchise Miyamoto is working on. Starfy is hated by Sakurai, and AC is not fighter worthy. This is just bias as well, as the Wario series is one of my favorites.

I don't see why Sonic gets a 2nd rep, yet Snake who got into Brawl 1st doesn't. Snake got in due to his creator begging. Sonic got in due to popular demand. Not only that, but Sonic has done more for Nintendo than Snake. And with the 3rd Mario and Sonic game on the way, it isn't too farfetched to see another Sonic character, and Shadow is the 2nd most popular after Sonic himself.

I have no problem with Tingle being playable, but being how he is a spin-off character, I feel that he should be under the Zelda category. So Yoshi should be a Mario character? His games are spin-offs too.

Well, you know how I feel about Takamaru.

I dont mind Lolo & Lala in Smash, but why not use a more better known HAL Laboratory rep like Dr Wright who has appeared in numerous Nintendo franchises. Where? He's only had one game and the game didn't belong to Nintendo anyway. Dr. Wright was just an exclusive character for the version on a Nintendo system. And seriously; he isn't a fighter. He's fine where he is; as an Assist. As for Lolo, he's one of Sakurai's favorite characters, has had a big series, and is recogniseable as a boss in the Kirby games. He's FAR more known than Wright.

As for that rat/possum looking character, I know I seen the gameplay before. He uses the rolling attack similar to Sonic's. That is no issue, but is he really a Nintendo character? What is the name of his game again? The game is The Rolling Western, and yes, it's a new Nintendo game for 3DSWare. The game is heavily hyped for one, though.

Now for that blob looking thing, I dont feel this would be a good rep for whatever 3rd party he comes from. Really? You don't find Slime, the MASCOT for Dragon Quest who's crossed Mario's path on more than one occasion, a good rep for his series? Do your homework, man. The thing's even got his own games in Dragon Quest Heroes!


I will comment on the 2nd roster, but will let you explain your 1st one some more.

Responses in yellow.

Dr.Mario
My thoughts on Dr. Mario is just a personal thing for me, so I'm not throwing any facts to explain why he should not be playable. He was my main also, my top choice matter of fact in Melee, but it still bothered me that an alternate had its own slot. Same issue with Toon/Young Link, except I didnt main him. So you favoring him is really not a big issue. I just never liked the alternate slot idea.

Girahim
Sounds reasonable why Skull Kid was not in Melee since Zelda & Ganondorf were not playable till then, but it still could've been done. The Mario series had 5 reps, Pokemon had 4, while Zelda had 3. It was possible to throw in a 4th rep for Zelda to tie Pokemon, but they didn't. Also, there was really no much of a time constraint issue during Melee, they actually had finished Melee a bit early than expected, which is how the cloned characters came to Melee. Point is they couldve but they didnt. As for Girahim, sure just because Midna didnt make dont mean he cant. But then it could go the other way around like I mentioned before. Even Skull Kid who has been a recurring character in the series is not yet playable. Tingle who is slowly growing a fanbase here is the west is not playable. And Midna who has grown a loyal fanbase is not playable. Vaati is another recurring character who is getting popular, if not already. Also, Girahim, from what I heard is not the main villain in Skyward Swords. If that is true then Girahim has a high ladder to climb and already has a number of candidates ahead of him. And even if he is the main villain, this one appearance is still not enough.

MB
Ganondorf's humanoid argument does support a reason for Mother Brain to be in the human form. Not really sure what to think about this choice to be honest. And I agree though that Adam has been more important than Anthony. But the issue with Adam is that if he was to use the same suit Anthony use, wouldn't that just make fans think of Anthony rather than Adam since his most recognizable attire was his red lieutenant suit.

Bandana Dee
And what other games has he appeared in other than Kirby Wii & possibly Crystal Shards?

Meowth
The anime is also another thing he has going for him, which is where he gained most of his popularity from if im correct. Though a gaming character as one of the many many Pokemon, he can be the 1st Pokemon to be a rep for the anime part of Pokemon since the anime itself really gave that extra boost for the franchise. Now as for Plusle & Minun, sure the R/S remake will make them relevant again, but not possibly not as much since everyone is mostly focused on today's 5th generation. And Plusle & Minun possibly planned for Brawl does not support them. According to the many rumors of the Forbidden 7, the code of Plusle & Minun may not have been them, rather it was most likely the coding for the random box, since that coding couldnt have been found elsewhere. The only coding that was confirmed to have been a playable character was Mewtwo, to a lesser extent Roy, and Dixie Kong either as a single or duo character.

Pelutena & Medusa are the main 2 characters after Pit. She is the sole purpose of Pit's whole adventure. The entire series is based off the war between Pelutena & Medusa while Pit was playing as Pelutena's head army leader.

Wario Series rep
Yea, Sakurai doesnt like Starfy, but he doesnt like Samus either. So Sakurai's feeling towards Starfy doesnt do as much to lower a character's chance as many would think. The AC rep is another debate that will obviously lead to nothing at this point since there are many that feel that some characters are not fighter worthy while some feel the opposite. I wouldnt mind a Wario series rep, but I would like for them to focus on adding more Misc. characters. But that is just me though.

Shadow
Good point about how Snake and Sonic got into Brawl, but I just feel that is dont seem fair that Konami at least showed interest and approached Nintendo first to have Snake in while Sega seems to have just come out the blue due to the fans. Again that is just my opinion. As for Shadow, I think Tails would be a better choice.

Tingle
Not saying that, just saying that the way you had your roster organized with the Main Zelda & Wind Waker sharing the same columns while Tingle is far elsewhere on the roster really dont make sense to me. Toon Link is from Wind Waker which is a spin-off and still shares the same columns as the main zelda characters, so why would tingle be any different?

Dr Wright
He has appeared in Sim City (his game), had characters based off of him in 3 Zelda titles as well as his theme music playing in one of them, obviously both recent Smash Bros games and was at least top 50 on the japanese poll for Brawl, he is owned by Hal so Nintendo can use him as much as they want, I know he appeared or had someone based off him in a Mario game or 2 but dont really remember which ones. And obviously Sakurai will like Lolo since the series belongs to Hal Laboratory and Sakurai even help develop a game or so for the series. And the series was not even that big.

Rolling Western
I think his name is Jiro is Im correct. But yea he could have potential. But I guess time will only tell depending on his popularity.

Slime
Sorry, but I just cant picture it.

[DGN]

I highly doubt that Rolling Western would get in.
Unless he has a retail game, I see him having no chance.

Also, Sakurai said himself that he can't picture AC characters fighting, like how Balloon Fighter can't fight with balloons, according to him, and Mach Rider and Excitebiker can't get off of their bikes, according to him.
And Kirby and Starfy are EXACT rivals. I do think he'll be playable, but I believe Kirby and Starfy's rivalry is larger than Nintendo and Sega's previous rivalry, but not as well known.
Palutena is in Pit's final smash, so I consider her having no chance.

Bandana Dee has appeared in Kirby Wii, Kirby Super Star, and Kirby Super Star Ultra. In Kirby Super Star in megaton punch, and in KSSU as a main character in revenge of the king and meta knight's revenge, as well as Megaton Punch.
Added to his things with the spear, he also has the parasol to work with.

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Jun 21, 2011 21:45:19 GMT -5 SmashKing201 said:

Jun 21, 2011 20:04:52 GMT -5 GoldenYuiitusin said:

Responses in yellow.

Dr.Mario
My thoughts on Dr. Mario is just a personal thing for me, so I'm not throwing any facts to explain why he should not be playable. He was my main also, my top choice matter of fact in Melee, but it still bothered me that an alternate had its own slot. Same issue with Toon/Young Link, except I didnt main him. So you favoring him is really not a big issue. I just never liked the alternate slot idea. As do others. But I've never really had a problem with it, as in many games I play, there's an alternate version of a character available, so I'm used to it.

Girahim
Sounds reasonable why Skull Kid was not in Melee since Zelda & Ganondorf were not playable till then, but it still could've been done. The Mario series had 5 reps, Pokemon had 4, while Zelda had 3. It was possible to throw in a 4th rep for Zelda to tie Pokemon, but they didn't. Also, there was really no much of a time constraint issue during Melee, they actually had finished Melee a bit early than expected, which is how the cloned characters came to Melee. Point is they couldve but they didnt. As for Girahim, sure just because Midna didnt make dont mean he cant. But then it could go the other way around like I mentioned before. Even Skull Kid who has been a recurring character in the series is not yet playable. Tingle who is slowly growing a fanbase here is the west is not playable. And Midna who has grown a loyal fanbase is not playable. Vaati is another recurring character who is getting popular, if not already. Also, Girahim, from what I heard is not the main villain in Skyward Swords. If that is true then Girahim has a high ladder to climb and already has a number of candidates ahead of him. And even if he is the main villain, this one appearance is still not enough.
Zelda had 4. Young Link may be Link, but he's still a seperate character. Vaati doesn't represent much, contrary to popular beleif, as the Four Swords titles and Minish Cap weren't all that well recieved from what I've seen. And I agree that Ghirahim has a long way to go, but he's honestly got more of a chance than Midna, Vaati, or Skull Kid at this point. But hey, he's better than the alternative I was planning... *coughKingHarkiniancough*.

MB
Ganondorf's humanoid argument does support a reason for Mother Brain to be in the human form. Not really sure what to think about this choice to be honest. And I agree though that Adam has been more important than Anthony. But the issue with Adam is that if he was to use the same suit Anthony use, wouldn't that just make fans think of Anthony rather than Adam since his most recognizable attire was his red lieutenant suit. A simple solution to Anthony. Seeing as Adam and Anthony would be the exact same (moreso than Mario and Dr. Mario), have an "alternate costume" of Adam which basically replaces his face and voiceclips with that of Anthony. Pretty much, they would look the same otherwise except the face when the mask is open. But I still say MB trumps both by being a humanoid of Mother Brain, Nintendo's (and gaming's, if I'm not mistaken) first female villain.

Bandana Dee
And what other games has he appeared in other than Kirby Wii & possibly Crystal Shards? Kirby Super Star in the Megaton Punch minigame, and Kirby Super Star Ultra in Revenge of the King, where he was Dedede's closest servant, and fought Kirby before he fought Masked Dedede.

Meowth
The anime is also another thing he has going for him, which is where he gained most of his popularity from if im correct. Though a gaming character as one of the many many Pokemon, he can be the 1st Pokemon to be a rep for the anime part of Pokemon since the anime itself really gave that extra boost for the franchise. Now as for Plusle & Minun, sure the R/S remake will make them relevant again, but not possibly not as much since everyone is mostly focused on today's 5th generation. And Plusle & Minun possibly planned for Brawl does not support them. According to the many rumors of the Forbidden 7, the code of Plusle & Minun may not have been them, rather it was most likely the coding for the random box, since that coding couldnt have been found elsewhere. The only coding that was confirmed to have been a playable character was Mewtwo, to a lesser extent Roy, and Dixie Kong either as a single or duo character.
This is where you'd be wrong. There was character data for Mewtwo, Roy, Dr. Mario, Toon Zelda/Sheik, Dixie Kong (who was originally planned to be a tag-out duo with Diddy), and "pra_mai". It can't be the Random Box, as it is CHARACTER data, not SELECT SCREEN data. Giga Bowser and Wario-Man have character data as well, and they don't have Select Screen data. It also matches romanizations of their Japanese names "Prasule" and "Mainun". However, with this limited data, I'm led to believe that they were to be in as Pichu's replacement (who, like Young Link who was replaced, had no data), and Lucario's movie came out during Brawl's production, so Sakurai scrapped the two early on and made Lucario instead.

Pelutena & Medusa are the main 2 characters after Pit. She is the sole purpose of Pit's whole adventure. The entire series is based off the war between Pelutena & Medusa while Pit was playing as Pelutena's head army leader. That's fine and all, but Palutena does nothing. Pit and Medusa do all the fighting. Palutena is either Pit's guide or a damsel in distress, who unlike Peach or Zelda, hasn't gotten in on the action. Zelda assisted Link against Ganon, and Peach fought in Super Mario RPG, as well as ran through Subcon in Super Mario Bros. 2. Palutena is also described as benevolent.

Wario Series rep
Yea, Sakurai doesnt like Starfy, but he doesnt like Samus either. So Sakurai's feeling towards Starfy doesnt do as much to lower a character's chance as many would think. The AC rep is another debate that will obviously lead to nothing at this point since there are many that feel that some characters are not fighter worthy while some feel the opposite. I wouldnt mind a Wario series rep, but I would like for them to focus on adding more Misc. characters. But that is just me though. Wait a minute. Who told you he hated Samus? That's CLEARLY wrong. He WANTED to represent Metroid with more characters, but he couldn't see anyone that would fit well (that isn't minor like the Hunters). The best he felt he could do is add Zero Suit Samus. He clearly tried to represent Metroid in other ways, by having 3 stages, 2 bosses, an 2 ATs planned (Ridley was going to be an AT, but Sakurai made him a boss instead). Now, he knows Ridley is clamoured for, and has said that if he puts his best effort, he could make him work. And not only that, but both Adam and MB were introduced after Brawl, so he has more viable options as well. Whoever told you he hated Samus/Metroid is an idiot.

Shadow
Good point about how Snake and Sonic got into Brawl, but I just feel that is dont seem fair that Konami at least showed interest and approached Nintendo first to have Snake in while Sega seems to have just come out the blue due to the fans. Again that is just my opinion. As for Shadow, I think Tails would be a better choice. It wasn't Konami; it was specifically Snake's creator. Also, count how many Metal Gear games were on a Nintendo system. Only a small fraction. Whereas Sonic, ever since Adventure 2 Battle has had almost ALL his games on a Nintendo system.

Tingle
Not saying that, just saying that the way you had your roster organized with the Main Zelda & Wind Waker sharing the same columns while Tingle is far elsewhere on the roster really dont make sense to me. Toon Link is from Wind Waker which is a spin-off and still shares the same columns as the main zelda characters, so why would tingle be any different?
These aren't in order by column. Notice how Wario and Yoshi don't appear right after the Mario series or Donkey Kong series. They are in order by series chronology (the first 8 Smash series), then the secret series of Smash 64, then the new series introduced in Melee, then the Nintendo series introduced in Brawl in order of which they were revealed, then Snake and Sonic, then newcoming Nintendo series that appeared as Assist Trophies in Brawl, then non-related new Nintendo series, then the two new 3rd Parties. Tingle appears right after Tetra on the roster itself, but not when introduced as a series, because he represents his own series with his own icon like Yoshi, Wario, and DK.
And Wind Waker is not a spin-off. You need to learn what a spin-off is. Wind Waker is a mainstream Zelda game. Tingle's games are part of the Tingle series, as they don't involve any other existing Zelda character. No Link, no Zelda, no Ganon, just Tingle and new faces. Like the Wario series.

Dr Wright
He has appeared in Sim City (his game), had characters based off of him in 3 Zelda titles as well as his theme music playing in one of them, obviously both recent Smash Bros games and was at least top 50 on the japanese poll for Brawl, he is owned by Hal so Nintendo can use him as much as they want, I know he appeared or had someone based off him in a Mario game or 2 but dont really remember which ones. And obviously Sakurai will like Lolo since the series belongs to Hal Laboratory and Sakurai even help develop a game or so for the series. And the series was not even that big.
Yeah. BASED off him, but not him. Also, SimCity DOES NOT BELONG TO NINTENDO. Wright is an exclusive character made by Nintendo for the SNES release of the game. And you haven't heard of the Eggerland series? It had 12 games in the series. TWELVE. That's more than StarFox!

Rolling Western
I think his name is Jiro is Im correct. But yea he could have potential. But I guess time will only tell depending on his popularity. Truth is, I don't care for Jiro. I only added him in because he seemed well recieved in just one trailer.

Slime
Sorry, but I just cant picture it. I couldn't either until I saw how he worked in Mario Sports Mix. He'd be a unique character for Smash, which is always welcome.

Responses.
Also:

Seeing as my Abridged Roster was the more favored one (not just here), I made it my official one with one minor change.

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I also believe the game on the NES was the least critically received of all the Metal Gear series, as, IIRC, even the creator thought it could be better, since the metal gear wasn't even the final boss.
....And where's Bandana Dee on the abridged roster. :U

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I cut Bandana Dee on the Abridged to shorten it, and because one would argue (and be right) that Bandana Dee, although a recurring character, is still only a mook. Just one with a bandana.
Slime is a mook too, but Slime is the mascot of Dragon Quest and the Enix part of Square-Enix, as well as had crossed paths with Mario many times.

Also, Sakurai likes to be modest with his own series, so I feel that we're lucky to have Meta Knight and King Dedede at this point...